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Flash525

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#1 8 years ago

I expect everyone knows what Death is, and I'm pretty sure everyone would have a basic understanding of what the average person would mean when they said afterlife. I went out today with a friend of mine, just for a hike out in the sun, get both of us outside. Anyway, one of the many things we got talking about was Life and Death, and what Death could actually be. Many spiritual people believe that once you die, you move on (and up / down) to Heaven or Hell. I'm sure various Religions would name them differently, but the places are pretty much the same; one for the good, another for the bad. Some people believe that they've seen a light close to their own death, before being resuscitated, some also claim that they've seen their mother / father / etc waiting for them on the other side. I'm more inclined to believe that is just the brain shutting down, and leaving said individual with a peaceful memory, so that they're essentially happy, and not sad or frightened. Then we got talking about God. I've said this many times before, in various threads we've got going around here; Let us assume for the minute that God isn't just a fabrication of our imagination. If God created the Universe, then God also created time, as everything before the Universe (that we're aware of) is timeless. Therefore, technically (by our understanding of time and existence) God wouldn't exist, though on a larger scale, God would exist, just not within our existence. Make sense? Probably not, but bare with me. If 'God' would exist outside of the normal Universe, then God would also exist outside of time. By that, God would have always and forever been. Now what are the chances that an afterlife (if such a thing exists) wouldn't be very similar in that respect? Your essence as a unique individual would join the void that is shared by God, and you'd essentially forever exist in a state of being; that being, you wouldn't have any concept of the past, the present, or the future, you'd simply just 'be'. I don't know if its well known here, or whether anyone else follows it, but there is a US show called Supernatural, in one of the more recent episodes:

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The two brothers die, and go to Heaven.

In this show, Heaven is shown as a place where you eternally relive your happiest memories, over and over again, for eternity. You've no concept of time, as you've got your own individual memories, which in effect, make up your own unique afterlife.

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For the fans of the show, you needn't worry, Sam and Dean get sent back down to Earth, so don't remain dead.

I'm sure there are many other shows that portray a different version of the afterlife, and what it would / could be, if it even exists. Just many people seem to think that Heaven is a place that you go to when you die, and you are reconnected with those you've lost, and that you'll remain in Heaven, living (essentially) another life. Realistically, I don't think that is ever going to be the case, just doesn't seem logical. I know our view of the universe, and our understanding of much is still far unexplained, but I'm more inclined to believe in an afterlife where you simply 'are' but that you don't really do much except for exist. by that definition, could we really call it an afterlife? Thoughts and Feelings are more than welcome.




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#2 8 years ago

You assume that fter-life is endless. It's not. Dead people who were bad go to the Gehenom for tweleve months, then go to the Grden of Eden, and are, right now, waiting for the Messiah to bring them back to life (good people go to Gan Eden immidietly, and VERY bad people just gone). God may be timeless, but what he creates doesn't have to be timeless, as he controles the rules of the world, and can do whatever he wants. Not all people live after their death, just the good people, and the not-extremely bad people. Also, you might come back to life even before the coming of the Messiah, as someone else, in order to pay for your past life's sins. (and also, new spirits are created) This is pretty much the Jewish belief about what you people call "after-life". In Judaism, there isn't a "Heaven / Hell forever" concept. Your spirit is either gone (like Hitler's spirit, for example), or is going into Gehenom to pay for your sins, and then come to Gan Eden, or, if you are just a random man, neither good nor bad, you might just be born again as someone else, so you can prove that you're worth being in Gan Eden, without the suffer of the Gehenom, and if you're a good person, you just go to the Garden of Eden (in Hebrew it's Gan Eden. It's not heaven in its Christian meaning, it's just a place you can stay in while waiting for the Messiah. And obviously, Gehenom is not even close to what Christians call "Hell"), and wait for the Messiah to bring you back to life. I can talk to you about your Christian ideas of the after-life, but I know the Jewish ideas much better (I'm Jewish you know), and I think that you better know what we the Jews believe, because really, it makes much more sense than "you were good / bad in your life on Earth (and this life cannot be compared to infinity), so you're rewarded / punished forever". What God would punish (or reward) his creatures forever?




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#3 8 years ago
Alex37;5292077You assume that fter-life is endless. It's not. Dead people who were bad go to the Gehenom for tweleve months, then go to the Grden of Eden, and are, right now, waiting for the Messiah to bring them back to life (good people go to Gan Eden immidietly, and VERY bad people just gone). God may be timeless, but what he creates doesn't have to be timeless, as he controles the rules of the world, and can do whatever he wants. Not all people live after their death, just the good people, and the not-extremely bad people. Also, you might come back to life even before the coming of the Messiah, as someone else, in order to pay for your past life's sins. (and also, new spirits are created) This is pretty much the Jewish belief about what you people call "after-life". In Judaism, there isn't a "Heaven / Hell forever" concept. Your spirit is either gone (like Hitler's spirit, for example), or is going into Gehenom to pay for your sins, and then come to Gan Eden, or, if you are just a random man, neither good nor bad, you might just be born again as someone else, so you can prove that you're worth being in Gan Eden, without the suffer of the Gehenom, and if you're a good person, you just go to the Garden of Eden (in Hebrew it's Gan Eden. It's not heaven in its Christian meaning, it's just a place you can stay in while waiting for the Messiah. And obviously, Gehenom is not even close to what Christians call "Hell"), and wait for the Messiah to bring you back to life. I can talk to you about your Christian ideas of the after-life, but I know the Jewish ideas much better (I'm Jewish you know), and I think that you better know what we the Jews believe, because really, it makes more sense thean "you were good / bad in your life on Earth (and this life cannot be compared to infinity), so you're rewarded / punished forever". What God would punish (or reward) his creatures forever?

Wow, way to basicly say that is the turth.....

To me there is no afterlife, Just one life to live and when you die, you die, nothing. We are just like all the other animals, nothing speical about humans




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#4 8 years ago

I don't know what to believe, but i personally hope that there is some some of Afterlife. Call me crazy but the concept of my brain just shutting down permanently and not waking up ever is terrifying.




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#5 8 years ago

I've always believed in a sort of afterlife. I mean, I believe my conscious mind/soul goes somewhere. The thought of nothing, just an empty blackness seems incomprehendable.




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#6 8 years ago

I don't follow religion very much, for various reasons, but I don't care what happens after I die, only that I am remembered. I much rather make a positive impact on someone or some cause so I can say, Yeah, I made his/her life a little better... Yeah, It would be cool to hang out with angels and stuff, but I have doubts about things.... I rather live in the moment instead of worrying about what will happen when I die, that won't be for a long time.




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#7 8 years ago

You die, your body breaks down and rots in the ground.

I dont know why people HAVE to believe in an afterlife. Its so hard to believe you just stop living?




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#8 8 years ago

I believe in an afterlife. though now that I think of it. I never really thought about the whole heaven hell thing that much.




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#9 8 years ago

I believe in the afterlife, already have my first day in heaven planned out. First, me and my best friend are going to take a dip in the milk shake pool, and then make are way across super model road to the cloud where beautiful women spend quality time with each other, you know, in a special way :naughty:.




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#10 8 years ago

l believe this life is the only one and why people dont appreciate it enough to jump to faith and the belief of such things is in my opinion not logical.

Originally Posted by Alex37 You assume that fter-life is endless. It's not. Dead people who were bad go to the Gehenom for tweleve months, then go to the Grden of Eden, and are, right now, waiting for the Messiah to bring them back to life (good people go to Gan Eden immidietly, and VERY bad people just gone). God may be timeless, but what he creates doesn't have to be timeless, as he controles the rules of the world, and can do whatever he wants. Not all people live after their death, just the good people, and the not-extremely bad people. Also, you might come back to life even before the coming of the Messiah, as someone else, in order to pay for your past life's sins. (and also, new spirits are created) This is pretty much the Jewish belief about what you people call "after-life".

In Judaism, there isn't a "Heaven / Hell forever" concept. Your spirit is either gone (like Hitler's spirit, for example), or is going into Gehenom to pay for your sins, and then come to Gan Eden, or, if you are just a random man, neither good nor bad, you might just be born again as someone else, so you can prove that you're worth being in Gan Eden, without the suffer of the Gehenom, and if you're a good person, you just go to the Garden of Eden (in Hebrew it's Gan Eden. It's not heaven in its Christian meaning, it's just a place you can stay in while waiting for the Messiah. And obviously, Gehenom is not even close to what Christians call "Hell"), and wait for the Messiah to bring you back to life.

I can talk to you about your Christian ideas of the after-life, but I know the Jewish ideas much better (I'm Jewish you know), and I think that you better know what we the Jews believe, because really, it makes more sense thean "you were good / bad in your life on Earth (and this life cannot be compared to infinity), so you're rewarded / punished forever". What God would punish (or reward) his creatures forever?

And you assume so many things in that passage its not worth the merit of debate. Its a safer bet to state your wrong.

There is NO evidence of any life after the real one you live now. It is as big as an assumption as presuming god is real. It is not a logical conclusion drawn from evolution.

Do any of you believe you will meet Fluffy The Pig when you die ? Whats the difference.They both have as much merit for being real, god that is.Zero.