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[COLOR=black]james is one of our customers whos a christian. just now we had a dissucsion on is there GOD exist. i post it here with his permisssion .claim that i do not oppose anyone who has a religion. and its good to have one. I wish u could finish this whole thing lwith GREAT patience lol (black is james and blue is me=p) and sorry for my poor english.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Good morning[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]morning to u [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]l'd see that u had fun talking with my replacement lol[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Yes she was very nice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I thought it was you for a short time[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I think everyone there is so polite[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]hehe, thx but i dont think i have talked to ya. it was all her[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]Well the weather here is lovely .. its sunny and its going to be warm[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]wonderful, its going to meet a drought here, worst in the century[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]That is not good[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but it will rain again.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]GOD allways makes it reain eventually[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]but hes not here in china[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]:) i dont mean anything rude, but in this case we tend to believe in ourselves[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]That is the great part.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]if theres any promblem we solve the problem[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I can do both[/COLOR]



[COLOR=black]I used to be that way[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]for many years[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but then I came up with a question I coudl not answer[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Where do I go when I die[/COLOR]



[COLOR=black]If we just rot in the grave.. then why not rape, rob and steal your whole life.. taking advantage of everyone? [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]No GOD means no reward for being kind.. and no punishment for being bad[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]theres sociaty[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]But who determines what is right and what is wrong[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]the ppl[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]So if we the people vote tommrow that you should be hung.. then that woudl be right?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]ppl are not all blind [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]True.. but in America.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]We had slavery for 300 years.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Everyone wanted it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and we all voted for it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but it was still wrong[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]People vote their desires[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]they dont often vote their convictions[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]theres no pure right or wrong, the justice works for humans[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]no human, no justice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]the universe works well without life[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]This is true[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]One of our great documents says[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sorry if this make u think i am an extremlist but err..[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]That all men are created equal.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]OH no[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]you are very smart[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I am impressed[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I would never think badly of someone who has thought and determined a course of action for themselves[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]you are to be commended[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I wish you were a christian [/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]but other than that you are very very smart and impressive[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]i dont think theres one whos name is GOD, but if all goodness and justice equals to GOD, then GOD is goodness and justice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]just like 1+1=2[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]2=1+1 as well[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Well GOD loves you[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]even if you dont know him[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]and he is in China[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]One day he will give you the chance to meet himself[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and then you will have a choice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]when i die?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and thats up to you[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]No before then[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]when you die is too late[/COLOR]



[COLOR=black]Not to brow beat you [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]your friend did not know what IDK means[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]it mean i dont know[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]but idk what 'Not to brow beat you ' means lol[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]very good[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Oh.. sorry [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]its an idiom[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]"I am not trying to force you to take my opinion over your own"[/COLOR]



[COLOR=navy]i thought about the life thing b4 [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I can tell[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I know that without GOD,, I would be the most evil of men[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]Its his goodness and promises that restrain me[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]because if I am going to just die and lay in the grave.. I am going to get all I can while I am alive and enjoy it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]you know?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]u r religiosity [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Religiosity [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]sorry.. no disrespect.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]that is not a word[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Please forgive me for pointing it out[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I am religious[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but I am not religious[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]np, i just looked it up in my dictionary[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I love Jesus .. but I do not like church.. often they are as bad as anyone else[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I have a personal relationship with Jesus[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]havent talked about this topic b4[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He talks to me and I talk to him[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]tho i thought much about it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I see[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I am his adopted son[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and he is my adopted father[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and I am not afraid of death[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I know that as soon as I die.. I will be with my father[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He promised that he prepared a place for me to come to.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]so I live life with no fear of death[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]or for the future[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he has taken care of it and planned it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I am free[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Sorry to go on and on[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]We can change the subject[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what if he doesnt do it? u gonna hate him? sry if i am seemed rude[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]why u wanna gain some thing from being good[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]all get repayed from being good after u r dead[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]sry, it seems to be harsh[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I believe people as a group are very selfish[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sry, why * as a group?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Individual people are very kind[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but as a group they tend to be very self interested[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]have you ever read about a fire at a movie theater or a bar[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The people inside stomp on old people and children to escape[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]People are very kind and polite .. until they are under pressure and then you see their true self[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]when it comes down to it.. when things are bad.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]people act selfish most of the time[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]why selfish? and why not?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Because without GOD we are no better than the animals that are on the planet[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]yes, goodness and justice are GOD. and we should have goodness and justice. i mean then we'd have GOD[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]yes but GOD is more than goodness and justice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he is all those things and he is incredible mercy[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]no matter what you have done he will forgive you and love you[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but he has another side[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]and that is judgment[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he must judge the wicked because he is just[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]think the planet without life. what did he do when theres no life?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He existed.. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what justice was there when theres no life?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and goodness [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and anything he stands for [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sry i dint mean to shake down ur beliefe. but i have thought about it for long. and finally i got a guy whos willing to listen[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]oh no [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I am not offended[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I love talking to you about stuff[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]it makes your mind grow to listen to others opinions[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and i'd been to the deadcorners and got lost like when u met with the death problem[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I see[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]now when i asked why, i also ask why not[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what if it was not like this?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]very good[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]that is good logic[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]like what if ppl dont do good to each other?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what the world would be like[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what if theres no moral things [/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]even if the moral thing was not perfect [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]it work for men[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]the men who believe in it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]an abey it[/COLOR]



[COLOR=navy]so just like the slavery thing [/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]the moral standards worked for the white [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]so the white were good to each other[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]but the moral thing did not include the black ppl[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and the slavery worked well in the early days of human history[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]without anyone had any doubt about it[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]it WAS right [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and if the slaves once get freed or defeated the slave owners, they will do the same thing to them too[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]But see GOD says it was not right[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]GOD punished the after seanons for the ancestors fault, is it right?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]is it right that GOD ruled us?[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]punish us like we are his slave?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]It is complicated[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He did under the old law.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]If you are not a christian you are his enemy[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but if you are a christian he treats you like his daughter[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he may punish you to spare you from something worse[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]isnt he treat all human his son and daughter?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]if you are not in his family .. you are in his wrath[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]so how about the justice of other religions[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and goodness[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sons and daughters [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]mothers love[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]brothers love[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]fathers love[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]is he threaten those who doesnt belive in him?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]hes an impiror?[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]do u think its justice if u destroy whos not agree with u?[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]That is the way it has been in the world in thepast[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]so he did bad things whos gonna punish him?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The problem is sin[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Sin destroys life and ruins hope[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]GOD only destroys people who die in their sin[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He does not kill people who disagree[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]with him[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]the sin is ppl didnt believe in him[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]In the begining we as humans were designed to be perfect[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]We did not grow old.. did not get sick and did not die[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]we had fellowship with GOD.. face to face.. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He gave us a choice to stay that way or to make our own choices[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]we chose to make our own way[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]But because of that[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]we had the choice to sin.. which we did[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]so GOD who is perfect could no longer see us face to face[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what is sin, why a sin[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]just because we left GOD?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]so hes angry[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]that is part of it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]No.. he is sad[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he misses us[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but there is a problem[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]GOD is perfect[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]hes everywhere, isnt he?[/COLOR]



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[COLOR=black]and everthying around him must be perfect[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]we are not any longer[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]why couldnt he meet us?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]what is the standard to be PERFECT?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Because he is perfect and his perfection requires him to judge right and wrong[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]without any bad or fault[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]every [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]for all time[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]bad to whom?[/COLOR]



[COLOR=navy]fault to whom?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]whose fault?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The only person able to judge completely is one who has no fault[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]why fault?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]why is one thing a fault?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Because there is a right and wrong[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]for whom?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Because it causes pain and suffering[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]right for whom?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]wrong for whom?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Sin causes death and suffering[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]that is why its wrong[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]its not that he want to keep us from doing fun things[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]its that he wants to keep us from hurting ourselves or others[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]theres no human, theres no right or wrong[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]just because of a little pain?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]no there was right and wrong before we got here[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Every death, , every rape,,, every starving child.. every mother who lost a son in war.. every single hurt feeling.. injustice .. was caused by sin[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]did he created the white or did he created the human?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]there should be one answer, right?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]only one choice[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He created all men and women[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]to be equals.. .[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]all loved equally by GOD[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]allthough chinese women are the most lovely[/COLOR]



[COLOR=navy]but why didnt he mentioned anything about us in his bible?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he did[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]you are mentioned in the book of revelation[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]nor we had nothing heard about him[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]America[/COLOR][COLOR=black] is not mentioned either[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]i mean in the history [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]instead we had Buddha[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]dont know[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I dont like him[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]He was scarey to me when I was a child[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I love dragons though[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]so when u meet this deadcorner, what s ur solution[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]there must be an answer[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I trust GOD[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]tho i got one[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]u have a dragon?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]an answer lol[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]to make it all reasonable[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]wanna listen?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]but its hard to accept this, i'd spent long time to do it[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]theres GOD, but hes not a man[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and he has no form[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]he exist in our mind[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sometimes hes name is buddha[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sometimes hes name is GOD[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sometimes hes name is justice [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sometimes his name is goodness[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and the truth is like i said before, all goodness and justice and things like that is GOD, so GOD is all thosethings[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]it is cheap to believe someone would come to save me when we meet problems[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]sry for the comment[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I see[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]No [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I understand[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]your honest about your thoughts[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]GOD does not ask you to be stupid or to not think [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]he appreciates honesty in your questions[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]My country was established with GOD as the principle founder of its ideals[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]My country will fall soon[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]and China will be the world leader[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]i dont think so[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Its true[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]We have become morally bankrupts[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]the us is a great country[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]we will fall just like Rome and Greece[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]they fell from moral problems too[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]yes the US is a great counry[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]never has a country had so much power and did so little evil with that power[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]ppl in all over the world face the same problem[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]thats why we need moral [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and punishment[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]so do you know any really hot 29 - 36 year old women in china? someone with a nice smile ? :P[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and the evil deeds makes us to strict to our moral [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]That was my joke.. :)[/COLOR]



[COLOR=navy]its complecated [/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]thats human[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]well I dont think Chinese women would want to come all the way to the US to live anyway[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]well. tons of them would [/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]they admire the life in the us[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]its nice here[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]and wanna quit their poor life[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but love is most important[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]me too[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I make very good money and I am not rich[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]whys that, spent too much on women? lol[/COLOR]



[COLOR=black]The term we use for that is[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Spent too much on wine and song[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]thats life[/COLOR]


[COLOR=black]well I have enjoyed out talk[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I have a 1 hour meeting[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]but I will be on messenger after that time[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]have a wonderful day[/COLOR]





[COLOR=navy]hey hey[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]do u mind if i post our conversation in the forum?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]No go right ahead[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]cool,i'd post it in filefront[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]thats fine with me[/COLOR]


[COLOR=navy]how should this be named? lol[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]a discussion on GOD?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Sure if you like[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]or debating with a christian?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]well its not really a debate.. its more of a friendly discussion[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]i want to make it attractable lol [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]then you must find a name that prompts attention[/COLOR]

[COLOR=navy]i wonder if ur name could be googled then i'd use another name [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]It could be[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]you might want to use another name[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]thank you[/COLOR]



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#3 13 years ago

I'm not going to read all of that. Pretty big conversation.

You don't have poor English by the way.


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#4 13 years ago

Really nice! I like the calm and intelligent way in which you guys simply talked!


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#5 13 years ago

As a note, on further posts you can save space and make it easier to read by using " quotation " marks or color coding like you've done here, just not double spaced. Should be a good read though, I appreciate the effort.

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#6 13 years ago

also we have religous thread which this could have been posted in, like Bad hairday said too long to read also using double space doesn't work it makes it longer and doesn't want to make people read the post..well to be honest it was quite boring... just to let you know as well Internet talk example Ur, lol and all that fun stuff, does not really want to make me read it make the conversation seem low-brow, also use spell check as well...

[color=#000000][size=2][b][i]Heralds of the coming doom, Like the cry of the Raven, we are drawn, This oath of war and vengeance, On a blade of exalted iron sworn, With blood anointed swords


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#7 13 years ago

[COLOR=blue]did a good job,man.:nodding:[/COLOR]



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#8 13 years ago

That guy sounds completely insane.

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#9 13 years ago

Just a note semicookie. Buddha was not a god. [URL]">">[URL] Being chinese, you could have known that though. No bad feelings


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#10 13 years ago

O…K… this was…mind numbing. Maybe I’ve been away too long – thought the theological posts were a lot more engaging. This one is like explaining reproduction using the “stork” theory. Right Danger – Buddha was not a god. And maybe to spice up the conversation, the Devine recognizes the lesser “gods” but tells man not to worship them or follow the false gods – hence, [COLOR=windowtext]“[COLOR=windowtext]You shall have no other gods before me.[/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]You shall not make for yourself a graven image,[/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, [/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]or that is in the earth beneath, [/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]or that is in the water under the earth;[/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]you shall not bow down to them or serve them;[/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]for I the Lord your God am a jealous God,[/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children [/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, [/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext]but showing steadfast love to thousands of those[/COLOR] [COLOR=windowtext]who love me and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:3-6(RSV))[/COLOR] [/COLOR]

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