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Commissar MercZ

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#1 10 years ago

While it's generally known by now that the US government's reasons for invading Iraq were less than sound, George Washington University's National Security Archives acquired an interesting, short document from a meeting between Donald Rumsfeld and General Tommy Franks on November 21, 2001, detailing apparently a discussion took place to find a pretext to invade Iraq.

This runs contrary to the government's declaration at the time that they had exhausted all possible options before the invasion, and that this had only occurred as a result of non-compliance from Baghdad. The documents show a different story- the US was already concerned about Iraq and was looking- two years ahead of the actual invasion, for something that could justify this action. Rumsfeld was already formulating the possibility of Iraq's WMD programs having been restarted, as he pitches to General Franks of the need to cut off escape routes for WMD.

As George Washington University says,

The notes list some triggers the administration could use to initiate war, including Iraqi military actions against the U.S.-protected enclave in northern Iraq, discovery of links between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 or recent anthrax attacks, and disputes over United Nations WMD inspections (“Start now thinking about inspection demands.”)

And a selection from the passage (bad grammar)

THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001

-How Start? -Saddam moves against Kurds in the North? -US discovers Saddam connections to Sept. 11 attack or anthrax attacks? -Dispute over WMD inspections -Start now thinking about inspection demands

From this it appears Rummy was already clamoring around for an invasion of Iraq. It's also worth noting that "how start" comes after a brief overview of how the war would open.

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#2 10 years ago

I like how they apperently thought about making inspection demands in a way that Iraq would definitely refuse in order to have a reason to attack. And only last week I watched an interview where Blair said how the refusal to cooperate with international inspections was really a valid reason at the time.

Anyway, I find it appalling that these people aren't held accountable for their actions. That the guys who decide when and how to start a war are barely able to write doesn't seem very reassuring either.

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#3 10 years ago

As long as they're not obliged to give up their comforts all at once you can do almost anything to The People these days. Cut away a bit of their freedom here, a bit of their wealth there; kill a few people here, lie to them there.

Sentiments are increasingly bandied around but meaningful action hasn't increased. Hundreds of thousands of people protested against the war in Iraq, but there was no need to take any of them seriously. Years ago lorry drivers went on strike and blockaded the refineries because petrol was becoming too expensive, a couple of years later it swept past that point and no-one blinked an eye.

Can you trust government to act in your interests? Yes, but you've got to be prepared to take them all out into the streets and execute them, their families, and everyone who supported them the minute they screw you over. If you can't then you're just too weak to deal with. What do they have to lose if they fuck you over, a few years in a low-security prison for posh people?

Comfort has become a type of soporific; rendering the people a placid media onto which the will of the insane can be projected. They don't even need to lie very much anymore; this sort of thing wouldn't have been hard to cover up, perhaps the most cynical comment is that they didn't feel a need to do so.


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#4 10 years ago

History will look back on the Iraq war and laugh.

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#5 10 years ago

I just don't understand how some of the worlds population still think otherwise.


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#6 10 years ago
Mihail;5400364I just don't understand how some of the worlds population still think otherwise.

They are still holding on to hope that the government isnt as screwed up as it is. They are still stuck in the mommy and daddy mindset of "whatever is said by authority figures is correct, nomatter what was said".

It takes time for people to break that shell.