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masked_marsoe VIP Member

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#1 12 years ago

(It's after 4am on a Sunday night/Monday morning, so excuse any errors)

It seems to me that there is an increasing shift away from democracy, towards technocracy.

Technocracy is essentially a rule of the experts.

And in its critique of democracy it points to the major flaw. Does Joe Schmuck actually know (or care!) about international relations, currency trends and welfare systems. Should he be given the right to voice his worthless opinion on such matters, and waste time being listened to.

At any rate, the public can be easily won over with the bread and circuses maxim - throw a couple of tax cuts or pay rises their way, and they'll be happy.

But in a society that is so easily persuaded, politicians will spend more time pandering to the masses and offering sweets than actually improving the situation. A committee of experts without outside distractions would be much better.

On the other hand, democracy has a long track record - universal suffrage is one of the largest and most successful popular movements in history. Often, it is behind the demise of technocratic governments, as the people's voice is stronger than just words. At its most pure, it is the individual's freedom to choose whom they want for what they want. The right of self-determination is of utmost importance.

What do you think?




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#2 12 years ago

Democracy is one of the finest values in this world and the best political system out there. It surely has flaws and many people are very pessimistic & ignorant about politics but there are many means how to bring democracy closer to people and minimize the centralization of power into the hands of the few.

Free, high-quality education will ensure that all people get decent education & knowledge to make up responsible decisions and get forward in their lives. Free & versatile media increases transparency & responsibility of politics and give people huge amounts of information from various point of views to form their own opinions about issues. Truly representative, transparent multi-party democracy and decent election terms will maximize people's participation & trust on politics and make it more factual & to-the-point rather than political circus which is mostly the case with US politics. However we also need individual activity & interest as well, otherwise it would be free-for-all and those who have power would have it in unhealthy amounts.

Technocracy, basicly the rule of civil servants, can be effective, factual and moderate but it can also be ineffective and extreme. It's all about the political culture: how easy it's to vote, what options the individual voter has, how much there is corruption, how often there are elections and about what, how exact a constitution is, how much people follow politics & participate it themselves, how the parties operate and what duties the government has, how much power the civil servants have and so on.




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#3 12 years ago

Democracy as it is today: The rule of the unofficial governing body that is the world's corporations. The rich and powerful are those that can and do seek office as governors, senators, justices, presidents, etc. etc. they seek to benefit their companies and their pockets through control of the law so that they are not penalized and so the government can endorse if not make mandatory, said corporations products.

Technocracy as it would be today: Essentially the same, but people would know it and feel helpless to stop it.

There will always be a higher education that must be payed for, it's the corporate world's way of maintaining a short supply to a huge demand, driving costs up and keeping things the same. The only way for the average person to take control is to find ways to remove their dependence on the companies for what they need. Unfortunately that's not a realistic solution today, thus people need to work towards that sort of thing on their own in the future.




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#4 12 years ago

What is today's United States government?

Democracy? Hell no. Technocracy? No. Communism? Definitely.

What should be today's United States government?

Democracy? No. Technocracy? No. Anarchy? F*** yes.




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#5 12 years ago

I think 90% of the time people use the word communism, they don't know what it means. Communism is an economic system where profit goes first to the government to pay for civil services like roadwork and construction, and then the remaining money is sent back to the company to distribute evenly between employees, at least as it is defined, I've yet to see this happen in real life, and even then I don't like it because of the lack of choice.

Anarchy doesn't work either unfortunately, see the French Revolution, that was anarchy, which in itself formed a government, just a simpler one with little paperwork to go through to kill people, hence why many people were killed in a very short time and for no reason other than prejudice.




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#6 12 years ago

Oh, I know what communism means.

If the US isn't Communist, then it's definitely Totalitarian.




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#7 12 years ago

I think both systems have their strenghts and weaknesses, but I guess as long as it isn't possible to educate the majority of the population to a decent level a technocracy is better for a country (and for others) than a democracy.




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#8 12 years ago

The biggest problem with democracy is that it gives people the illusion of choice without the actuality of it. People suffer under the illusion that they get rid of an oppressive government the minute they have an election and vote for someone else but it never really changes because democracy is based on the idea that you vote for the person who tells you the things you like to hear, and for most people what they like to hear is very rarely the truth. It's a system where all the shit floats straight to the top. At least with a good old-fashioned dictatorship there's something to rebel against, it's crooked but everyone knows it's crooked and when it goes too far we can push back. With democracy that pushing back is replaced with the idea of voting, which rarely if ever actually accomplishes anything.

If a technocracy based on actual expertise rather than just whether you could tell people things that sounded sweet could be put in place I would much prefer it to the current government model.




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#9 12 years ago

I would welcome any political system that would reduce the frequency of frivolous lawsuits and clean-up the legal clusterfuck that is currently plaguing our judicial system. We are living in a sick reality that subjects citizens to sue happy lawyers...




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#10 12 years ago

Reality is a whole lot sicker than that; people can step over a dying person and keep on buying stuff, people are asked which finger do they want re-attatched based on price difference, a dying woman can be left in a hospital emergency room floor unattended and die over the course of 4 hours and no one helps them. Yes, this world is fucked up, and that's just a few samplings from America, there are many more hellish places that make the apathy of assholes in the West look like respectable people by comparison.




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