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#1 11 years ago

Ok guys, I know this isn't exactly pub material, but I'm getting desperate.

You see, we have this lump of a dog, Roxy, who is absolutely nuts. She excavates, chews things, chases things, destroys things, you name it, she's mauled it.

We love her, but we're also worried about her.

Now Roxy has been to Puppy school, and sure, she will do what you want, when you hold food right in front of her. But sadly, when she sneaks out into a park or beyond our yard, you literally have to dive on her to stop her disappearing all together.

Any training tips guys? Doesn't matter if it's too drastic. Like I said, we're desperate.




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#2 11 years ago

As far as I know there is usually some reason for such behaviour. A lot of dogs chew up flats if they are left alone for too long, in that case it can help to get another dog. Other dogs develop that kind of behaviour if they need more exercising (for example very long walks).




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#3 11 years ago

FYI, get a chain and collar and TIE your dog to a pole or something, next thing you will know animal control will pick your dog up, and if your dog doesn't have a collor with in 72 hours your dog is killed...or send to the pound..either way you'll end up not having a dog at all. even a fence in yard would be good.


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#4 11 years ago

Get yourself one of those Ultra Sound Key Ring things used for training dogs, Whenever she does something wrong give it a short burst, and then speak your command clearly, it shud not take long for her to associate doing "this" makes my ears hurt.

Hope this helps




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#5 11 years ago

shock collar




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#6 11 years ago

Under no conditions chain a dog up regularly, if the dog wanders too close to the road, use a rope and tie the dog to a tree for a few hours. The loneliness and sense of imprisonment within those hours will make the dog learn to not go outside of the boundaries or they get much smaller for a time, which is hell for a dog. I had a border collie a few years ago, did it once to him and he never ran into the road again except for one incident with a bike rider, but neither got hurt, and he mostly ran alongside the rider while within the yard.

Chewing and Excavation are simply parts of dog life, so I'd suggest a chew toy, possibly a rubber ball (hollow, soft, hard ones hurt the teeth) with an almost un-noticeable squeaking noise, that way the dog can feel satisfied with each chew, and you won't have sopping wet sneakers or an annoying squeaky sound to drive you mad. Excavation isn't really something you can teach a dog not to do, it's apart of an instinct to stash and find stashes of stored items, mostly food, or chewy things. Best thing to do is to distract the dog with a ball or something, take it's mind off it when it starts. It's of course not going to stop the behavior, but it'll lessen the impulse and prevent damage.

Chasing is also a part of doggy life, best thing is to keep them away from the road and when near the road, to use a leash and not be afraid to keep a strong grip if they bolt after this or that. Destruction is a dogs way of throwing a temper tantrum, it can't scream at you, so it will claw walls and doors. Most of this comes from needs that aren't being met for over 30 minutes, like wanting to go out and play, and not getting to, or having to use the great outdoors lavatory and not being able to, or simply feeling lonely. As long as your attentive, and the items in question don't move on their own like small animatronic christmas trees, they should be fine.

Edit: If the thought crosses your mind of buying a shock collar, then please test it on your own neck, if you feel pain, it's more than likely the dog will too. They have a layer of fat there that dulls pain, but electric shocks result in pain by means of the pain receptors in the skin, so it doesn't make that much of a difference. As for the ultra sound key chain, like the shock collar, try using an equivalent on yourself, like standing next to a blow horn while it's pressed for several seconds, chances are you'll experience pain and hearing loss, and so would the dog with the key chain.




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#7 11 years ago

Professionals use the key chain things, i thought they did not harm the dog, the dog simply cant stand it because of they accute hearing, i thought it was like the same as someone running there nails down a blackboard to use kind off if you now my meaning




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#8 11 years ago

MrFancypants;3778067As far as I know there is usually some reason for such behaviour. A lot of dogs chew up flats if they are left alone for too long, in that case it can help to get another dog. Other dogs develop that kind of behaviour if they need more exercising (for example very long walks).[/quote]

Well, she's got people around her all day most days of the week, and I generally walk her when I get home from work in the afternoons and I know she also gets walked in the mornings.

Sa Anupuw;3778487FYI, get a chain and collar and TIE your dog to a pole or something, next thing you will know animal control will pick your dog up, and if your dog doesn't have a collor with in 72 hours your dog is killed...or send to the pound..either way you'll end up not having a dog at all. even a fence in yard would be good.[/quote]

Too be honest, I can't even make sense of your suggestion. I love this lump of a dog. No way in hell do I plan on losing it. And yes, we have a fenced yard.

Lawrence.Ahern;3778593Get yourself one of those Ultra Sound Key Ring things used for training dogs, Whenever she does something wrong give it a short burst, and then speak your command clearly, it shud not take long for her to associate doing "this" makes my ears hurt.

Hope this helps[/quote]

I like this suggestion, cheers for the advice!

[quote=Trojan_Ripper;3778602]shock collar

No.

[quote=Chemix2;3778603]Under no conditions chain a dog up regularly, if the dog wanders too close to the road, use a rope and tie the dog to a tree for a few hours. The loneliness and sense of imprisonment within those hours will make the dog learn to not go outside of the boundaries or they get much smaller for a time, which is hell for a dog. I had a border collie a few years ago, did it once to him and he never ran into the road again except for one incident with a bike rider, but neither got hurt, and he mostly ran alongside the rider while within the yard.

Chewing and Excavation are simply parts of dog life, so I'd suggest a chew toy, possibly a rubber ball (hollow, soft, hard ones hurt the teeth) with an almost un-noticeable squeaking noise, that way the dog can feel satisfied with each chew, and you won't have sopping wet sneakers or an annoying squeaky sound to drive you mad. Excavation isn't really something you can teach a dog not to do, it's apart of an instinct to stash and find stashes of stored items, mostly food, or chewy things. Best thing to do is to distract the dog with a ball or something, take it's mind off it when it starts. It's of course not going to stop the behavior, but it'll lessen the impulse and prevent damage.

Chasing is also a part of doggy life, best thing is to keep them away from the road and when near the road, to use a leash and not be afraid to keep a strong grip if they bolt after this or that. Destruction is a dogs way of throwing a temper tantrum, it can't scream at you, so it will claw walls and doors. Most of this comes from needs that aren't being met for over 30 minutes, like wanting to go out and play, and not getting to, or having to use the great outdoors lavatory and not being able to, or simply feeling lonely. As long as your attentive, and the items in question don't move on their own like small animatronic christmas trees, they should be fine.

Edit: If the thought crosses your mind of buying a shock collar, then please test it on your own neck, if you feel pain, it's more than likely the dog will too. They have a layer of fat there that dulls pain, but electric shocks result in pain by means of the pain receptors in the skin, so it doesn't make that much of a difference. As for the ultra sound key chain, like the shock collar, try using an equivalent on yourself, like standing next to a blow horn while it's pressed for several seconds, chances are you'll experience pain and hearing loss, and so would the dog with the key chain.

Oh believe me, she has toys, lots of toys. But she is also kind of like a spoiled child, moves from one to the next. I understand about excavating and chasing, they aren't the biggest problem. The problem is she sneaks out and zooms off, which worries me as I don't want her to get hurt.

And I won't be getting a shock collar. Not even as a last resort.

[quote=Lawrence.Ahern;3778632]Professionals use the key chain things, i thought they did not harm the dog, the dog simply cant stand it because of they accute hearing, i thought it was like the same as someone running there nails down a blackboard to use kind off if you now my meaning

I think it's similar to the way we attempted to train her at Puppy school, she does what we want, she gets food. Here it's different. She does something we don't like, and she gets a subtle stab of annoyance in her ears. One of those things all species tend to be able to learn from quickly.

Then again, we do have exceptions.




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#9 11 years ago

Indeed. Happy i could help




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#10 11 years ago
Lawrence.Ahern;3778632Professionals use the key chain things, i thought they did not harm the dog, the dog simply cant stand it because of they accute hearing, i thought it was like the same as someone running there nails down a blackboard to use kind off if you now my meaning

It's indeed something like someone running nails down a chalk board, just a fair bit louder with a single high pitch tone. I just don't like the idea of inflicting pain to teach, particularly because I have sensitive hearing myself, so I have some bias.

The dog I had never really ran out much, the only thing we had to worry about was him running over to the neighbor's yard, as the neighbor would throw rocks, but to be fair, Brownie (my dog) wasn't exactly nice to people outside the immediate, within the week, inside the house, family, though shutting the door and waiting for me to call him in would have been a better alternative. Mostly we kept him indoors though, and that's what I'm wondering about in your situation, is the dog kept outside (allowed inside during the day) or is the dog an inside dog with a doggie door. In the latter case, I suggest removing the doggie door and learning to deal with more frequent runs outside so she can relieve herself.

The shock collar comment was more towards Trojan than you, I got the gist from your post that you were more humane than that