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Dalt

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#1 11 years ago

Why do so many people believe in destiny? i think that destiny is just a human invention. people always blame destiny for their miserable failures in life because they don't want to admit that it's their mistake. it's easier to blame something else. there is no point in living if everything is already predetermined.

to quote some people who believe in destiny: "I got a promotion. I worked hard for it." and "I got fired. I gues it was meant to be"

What are your opinions?




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#2 11 years ago

Destiny is something that was invented, and it serves as either an excuse for failure, or hope for the future. Both are important to a lot of people, however, so it's best to leave them to their beliefs.




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#3 11 years ago

I determine what I do and where I go.

I will admit that some people are pre disposed to follow a certain path but I think even that is dictated by their surroundings and the people around them.

IMHO belief in destiny comes down to whether or not you believe history is predetermined and we are just following a preset pattern or whether you believe that we make history as we go, that human free will and human passions guide us in the directions and goals we pursue.




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#4 11 years ago

Freewill doesn't make scientific sense to me. I don't believe that everything was meant to be but I do believe that the future is set in stone and all our choices essentially are enviromentally constructed long before we ever get to them.




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#5 11 years ago

I determine what I do and where I go.

I will admit that some people are pre disposed to follow a certain path but I think even that is dictated by their surroundings and the people around them.

IMHO belief in destiny comes down to whether or not you believe history is predetermined and we are just following a preset pattern or whether you believe that we make history as we go, that human free will and human passions guide us in the directions and goals we pursue.

Well, take away the uncertainty principal and you have fate sealed in stone. The universe is physics. We're part of the universe, thus, what we do is dictated by physics. Our matter will interact a certain way because matter doesn't have a mind of it's own.

Our minds work in a way that we respond to external stimulus, and that we can't live without it. Therefor our thoughts, actions and otherwise is dictated by how matter will play out exactly as it will in the future. Therefor destiny can be considered realistic, but I won't go as far to say someone determines my fate.

I'm just along for the ride.




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#6 11 years ago
Freewill doesn't make scientific sense to me.

Free will is just the balance of incentives. And that's what economics is here for; to find and exploit incentives.




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#7 11 years ago

In case there is no free will there is not necessarily destiny for we could be lead my instincts.

Anyway, I voted for human stupidity. :cool:




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#8 11 years ago
Archmage Cleps;4027653Free will is just the balance of incentives. And that's what economics is here for; to find and exploit incentives.

If that's how you want to define it then it exists but I still forward that the idea of it as some way around determinism is nonsense. Human behaviour is patterned with causes and effects. Even if there was for a moment the ability to choose, that choice could never be independent of the environment, of the programming of the individual; and that makes it environmentally determined.




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#9 11 years ago

I personally don't believe in it. Historical developments are just strokes of fate that could have been radically different, creating a radically different world. Say, if Lincoln was only shot in the arm and had a small bullet lodged in his shoulder, but lived. This could have happened had his assasins aim been off, and this would have completely altered American history. Our world is just a stroke of fate upon a stroke of fate.




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#10 11 years ago

i don't believe that there is a big master plan. people that had some problems in their life usually believe in this because it makes easier for them to cope with the defeat.

i know that we are being programmed since the day we were born, by our society, and most human actions can be predicted.

i just don't see a reason to believe in destiny, horoscopes, etc. it was used in the past to describe stuff that science couldn't. witch hunt was also thing of the past but nobody does that any more.