Did China deliberately sabatoge the Copenhagen summit then blame it on Obama? 30 replies

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emonkies

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#1 11 years ago

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room | Mark Lynas | Environment | The Guardian

If this guy is telling the truth that is exactly what they did.

On top of which China took what seems like every opportunity to embarrass and humiliate the other world leaders and not just the U.S.




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#2 11 years ago

The entire thing was a joke to start out with...

The entire thing was about money and power, China doesn't want to give up either so naturally they want to stop any of the ridiculous and stupid crap they would come up with to charge us more $$ and control our lives just a bit more


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#3 11 years ago

Nothing productive came from that meeting. Just publicity.




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#4 11 years ago
Sadim-Al-Bouncer;5176439Nothing productive came from that meeting. Just publicity.

Yeah it was a total waste. :cort:




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#5 11 years ago

Why would any powerful and developing nation not dreadfully affected by climate change take on targets that cripple their development? I don't believe China was the only one to not want a deal but it certainly makes sense that they wouldn't. People effectively walked in with nothing but their swinging cod and expected to walk away with a deal, but humans don't work like that.

They work like this: [INDENT]For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretences - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us - and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.[/INDENT] Only they don't tend to say it out loud very often anymore.

If you want to get into emissions change it has to be through a coalition of the willing, your money's no good anymore.




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#6 11 years ago

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.;5176436The entire thing was a joke to start out with...

The entire thing was about money and power, China doesn't want to give up either so naturally they want to stop any of the ridiculous and stupid crap they would come up with to charge us more $$ and control our lives just a bit more

I'd say that China would jump at any chance to control their people or to exploit them.

If your premise that global warming is a giant hoax leads to the conclusion that Communist China has a righteous government that only wants the best for their people you may want to rethink your argumentation a little bit :)




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#7 11 years ago

MrFancypants;5176776I'd say that China would jump at any chance to control their people or to exploit them.

If your premise that global warming is a giant hoax leads to the conclusion that Communist China has a righteous government that only wants the best for their people you may want to rethink your argumentation a little bit :)

Not China's control of their people, but China's gov't loss of control and money to the farce that is the world wide man made global warming committee or whatever it will be called

I never said Global Warming was a hoax, but I will say that Man-Made Global Warming is a hoax. They are using the natural warming of the planet to make money and assert control in a way that has never been seen before.


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#8 11 years ago
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.;5176789Not China's control of their people, but China's gov't loss of control and money to the farce that is the world wide man made global warming committee or whatever it will be called

Most of the legislation to reduce global warming would be enforced at a national level, so I don't see how China would lose control to any international organizations. They'd rather gain more control over their industries. And the money they'd lose wouldn't go anywhere - a decrease in economic growth cannot be transferred to the bank account of whoever is behind this conspiracy.

I never said Global Warming was a hoax, but I will say that Man-Made Global Warming is a hoax. They are using the natural warming of the planet to make money and assert control in a way that has never been seen before.

Both sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. I don't mind if you believe that, but I don't think it is any more credible than the idea that the CIA blew up the WTC or that the government is hiding information about an imminent alien invasion. To suggest that there is a small circle of evil scientists who want to control people and make money (both of which sounds impressive but is rather unspecified - how would a scientist control a person or make money if a government implements a cap and trade system or something similar?) sounds a little crazy. Especially if you compare the "big money" involved in climate science to the money involved in industries that depend on someone burning fossil fuels.




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#9 11 years ago

I haven't kept up on much of what has been going on in Copenhagen, seems more like circle-jerk legislation that most industrialize nations will skirt around anyway and never truely enforce...seriously, how is the US or China going to be forced to conform and by whom...the UN? The European Union? Yeah right... Putting that all aside, Obama can sign away all he wants, but any treaties/provisions that binds the US must not interfere with the Constitution, so he may have to deal with legislative blockades, so to speak and or judicial issues, but given the way the tend is going in this nation he shouldn't have any problems with that. Our people are stupid - we deserve our fate.




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#10 11 years ago
MrFancypants;5176802To suggest that there is a small circle of evil scientists who want to control people and make money (both of which sounds impressive but is rather unspecified - how would a scientist control a person or make money if a government implements a cap and trade system or something similar?) sounds a little crazy. Especially if you compare the "big money" involved in climate science to the money involved in industries that depend on someone burning fossil fuels.

Academics need someone to fund their research, I don't know how it is in Germany but here if you get climate change into your grant proposal somehow people effectively shovel money at you. There's a lot of benefit in keeping the golden goose alive for as long as possible.