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#1 8 years ago

Nancy Pelosi has been fired. I dreaded the day she crawled out of her elitist hole and managed to be elected to the Congress and gain power to push through BS legislation. With conservative control of the House perhaps there is hope to slow the course of Obamanomics down and go back and review some questionable legislation. For me, I'm looking to see what parts of Obama-care will be pulled down and/or revisited, especially the part that penalizes citizens for not buying health care. This was a biggy for a lot of people. Getting hammered on your tax returns cause you can't afford healthcare (yeah that thing they were suppose to fix...yeah right) is crap. If the majority of folks could afford it they would. And for those of you who get free healthcare (that I and others pay for) shut it - not interested in your opinion.

Anyway, I'm happy as sh't and would have loved to see the look on her face as the wave of red flooded from the East to the West.:beer:

EDIT: Side note, Mark Kirk (R) just won the Senate seat for Illinois. That must sting a bit Mr. President.




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#2 8 years ago

Wow, that's pretty big news. Can't say I really liked her at all, just hope her replacement does a better job.


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#3 8 years ago

Nanci Pelosi still has her seat. What changed is that she is no longer House Speaker as Democrats no longer have control of the House. That goes to Boehner now.

Though I've always found the rage towards Pelosi amusing. She just seemed to be a convenient target for the liberal bogeyman in the House that Edward Kennedy had in the Senate. A lot of people I talk to here in Texas don't seem to know much about what she did beyond being a "dirty liberal" and ugly.




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#4 8 years ago
computernerd;5418958Wow, that's pretty big news. Can't say I really liked her at all, just hope her replacement does a better job.

Well, we can hope. I like when there is more of a balance especially when up against Euro-style politicians. Nancy screwed California in so many ways and I about had a heart attack when she was elected to Congress.




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#5 8 years ago
AlDaja;5418961Well, we can hope. I like when there is more of a balance especially when up against Euro-style politicians.

What is "Euro-Style"? European politics have the same differences in ideology that anywhere else does.

If by "Euro-style" you mean herp-derp eurosocialism (more appropriately social democracy) that goes more towards Dennis Kuchinich.




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#6 8 years ago

Politicians who constantly ignore their constituents and push forward with their own agenda even if it is against what the majority of voters want because they feel they know what's best. People like Nancy fail to understand that they represent us, that they do not reside in a parliament separate and insulated from the people they serve by intellectual pedigree. Nancy and her cohorts will have some time to reflect on how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. You'd think they would have got the message when the Republicans got hammered two years ago.




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AlDaja;5418964Politicians who constantly ignore their constituents and push forward with their own agenda even if it is against what the majority of voters want because they feel they know what's best. People like Nancy fail to understand that they represent us, that they do not reside in a parliament separate and insulated from the people they serve by intellectual pedigree. Nancy and her cohorts will have some time to reflect on how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. You'd think they would have got the message when the Republicans got hammered two years ago.

As far as I'm concerned the Republicans and Democrats, barring certain members, are not as different as they broadcast to their constituents. In the whole grand scheme of things they will ultimately pursue the same national economic agenda (Obamanomics is not a real term, just a scare term for people who see things in bailouts and taxes), though to different ends and to their respective backers.

If you somehow think that Pelosi and Democrats are somehow unique in the characteristics you applied, then I question the approach you are coming from. To be honest that can be said about any politician that you do not agree with.

I'm reminded of Tom Coburn of Oklahoma in his remarks about Pelosi:

Tom Coburn Knocks Fox News, Says Nancy Pelosi is a "Nice Person" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

"I'm 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker -- she's a nice lady," he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.

"Come on now, she is a nice -- how many of you all have met her?" continued Coburn. "She's a nice person. She's a nice person."

"Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not a good person," he added. He then discussed his own experience of being vilified before asking the crowd not to "catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody's no good."

"The people in Washington are good," he said. "They just don't know what they don't know."

It's a revolving door. Sometime ago some Democrat or progressive diehard was saying the same thing you were in 2007, a Republican or conservative was saying the same thing in 1994, and further and further back... has it occurred to anyone this system is a revolving door? What does it matter if there's an (R) or (D) next to their names? It's not like either will fix anything to be honest- they just take up the pressing issue of the matter, rile up their constituency, and go for it. Where the Republicans are arguing for small gubmint and taxes, the Democrats were railing against the war and corporate corruption, what ever is necessary to get themselves in.




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#8 8 years ago

When politicians push through legislation without letting the people contemplate it, that pisses me off. Pelosi insulted the intelligence of American's by presuming she and her backers knew what was best - to pass the health bill so the public can find out what's in it at a later time...I don't think so. Let me know what's in it, then I'll decide weather or not I want it. That is why I dislike politicians like Pelosi. Be a presumptuous ass on your own time - not mine.

Obamanomics is not a scare tactic. It's a term applied to his style of spend and tax within his economic platform.




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#9 8 years ago

AlDaja;5418969When politicians push through legislation without letting the people contemplate it, that pisses me off. Pelosi insulted the intelligence of American's by presuming she and her backers knew what was best - to pass the health bill so the public can find out what's in it at a later time...[/quote]

But again, you haven't answered me- how is this different from the actions of previous politicians. I could argue that the previous Congress and Administration acted much in the same way when they advanced two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, their tactics in national security, gay marriage, stem cell research,

By the way, take a look at that healthcare bill. One thing amusing is that it's not too dissimilar from what Mitt Romney instituted during his Governorship of Massachusetts, or what the Republican Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island advanced as a part of the Republican answer to the Clinton health care drive in the 1990s.

I don't think so. Let me know what's in it, then I'll decide weather or not I want it. That is why I dislike politicians like Pelosi.

Be a presumptuous ass on your own time - not mine.

Presumptuous ass? How so? I'm not the one forcing you to read my posts or respond to me. Or am I making any claims to your intelligence. Or calling you names. I've just done the crime of not being as enthusiastic about this, and to be honest I did the same to my liberal friend three years ago. But what ever.

Obamanomics is not a scare tactic. It's a term applied to his style of spend and tax within his economic platform.

Spend and tax is what governments do nowadays- what's different is to where this is, at what levels, and where it is directed. What is the determinant is that Obama is an elitist democrat and closeted Muslim islamofascistcommunazi.

Had we seen a Republican securing the presidency we would have seen bailouts, some degree of interventionism, propping up state governments, and all the while the Democrats would be the ones arguing about corruption, government inefficiency, and what not. What ever gets them support and hope people forget what they had done previously. Play up the populist card when it is convenient for you. The Democrats and Obamawere the fall back for the large sector of the economy who needed a government to carry out those actions with the illusion of change and support, one that the Bush administration and his Congress were no longer capable of doing.

My point is here that it doesn't matter if someone has (D) or (R) next to their names, whether they are dreaded Eurosocialistcommunazis or god-fearing conservatives, whether they blast big government and uphold states rights or argue for a welfare state, they say what ever they need to get people to follow them, vote them in, and please their big backers from business and corporations to whom they will be fashioning the economic agenda over.

The way I've seen the results is that we've had a change in seats between different careerists, the shift in the balance of power between different industrial and corporate interest groups, and the establishment of a different political consensus. I just don't happen to see the previous consensus or the new one favorable to the "American people" (all of them I guess?) or indicative of the "American people" taking back their country. I never saw the previous ones as such either.

I don't know, I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about these things, or can find myself focusing my rage against a particular set of political ideologies. Never really saw much of a difference between them, but I guess that comes with standing outside the mainstream political divisions in this country and taking a look at it from the outside and seeing the big picture.




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#10 8 years ago

:Puzzled:...who said they were different from the Republicans? Presumptuous ass is intended toward politicians like Polosi not you.:rolleyes: