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Nostradamouse

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#11 13 years ago
WarHawk109;3403835Canadians are sick and tired of the same old liberals, and that's exactly what Dion represents, the old gaurd of the liberal establishment.

Yep, I have to agree with it, but Canadians do not like the conservatives much more. Bible-thumpers is not really what turns canadians on, you know. ;) The remains of the Alliance and the old Reform party doesn't turn the rest of Canada on much more.

Sorry to be rude, but that's how they're seen here.




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#12 13 years ago
GuineaPig;3403830He can speak English fine, and besides, Chretien couldn't speak English that well, and you saw how he massacred Mulroney.[/quote] Dion is no Chretien.
And totally uncharismatic? You mean like Harper?

Harper is far more charismatic than Dion. Harper has had problems there before but they have been overcome quite some time ago.

Besides, conservatives have said Dion was the candidate they least wanted to win because of his prime ministerial (is that a word) qualities that far superseded Rae and Ignatieff.

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How do you see him increasing the Liberals numbers from the last election?

Like I said, he is a tough sell to Quebec (clarity act) and Ontario (those auto-workers won't like his environmental policies), and impossible in the west.

Next election is going to be close. I think voters voted Conservative last time to punish the Libs. Conservatives or way at odds with the rest of Canada when it comes to environmental policy and foreign affairs.

Like I said, the libs are going to have a very tough time increasing their numbers.

[QUOTE=Nostradamouse;3403855]Yep, I have to agree with it, but Canadians do not like the conservatives much more. Bible-thumpers is not really what turns canadians on, you know. ;) The remains of the Alliance and the old Reform party doesn't turn the rest of Canada on much more.

Sorry to be rude, but that's how they're seen here.

Bible-thumpers? You're kidding right?

I know a lot of conservatives who WISH the conservative party was actually that way.




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#13 13 years ago
WarHawk109;3403866Dion is no Chretien. Harper is far more charismatic than Dion. Harper has had problems there before but they have been overcome quite some time ago. linkplz How do you see him increasing the Liberals numbers from the last election? Like I said, he is a tough sell to Quebec (clarity act) and Ontario (those auto-workers won't like his environmental policies), and impossible in the west. Like I said, the libs are going to have a very tough time increasing their numbers. Bible-thumpers? You're kidding right? I know a lot of conservatives who WISH the conservative party was actually that way.

Yeah, harper has sort of grown out of his awkardness, but they said the same thing about him when he was running for Conservative leadership. As for Conservatives, fearing Dion, it's been said numerous times on the CBC, by liberals and conservatives, though I don't have an internet link for you. As for Ontario, auto-workers don't really make up much of the population... and besides, they've historically gone NDP. Din't you hear about the fuss with Buzz Hargrove last time round? And you're right, the Conservatives aren't bible thumpers here. In the States yes, but in Canada the limit is their "family values" platform.




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#14 13 years ago
GuineaPig;3403963Yeah, harper has sort of grown out of his awkardness, but they said the same thing about him when he was running for Conservative leadership.

I personally cannot see Dion doing the same, he just has too many barriers.

As for Conservatives, fearing Dion, it's been said numerous times on the CBC, by liberals and conservatives, though I don't have an internet link for you.

Oh on the CBC. :lol:

Well, THIS conservative is not afraid of Dion.

As for Ontario, auto-workers don't really make up much of the population... and besides, they've historically gone NDP. Din't you hear about the fuss with Buzz Hargrove last time round?

Even if they go NDP, that's not a win for the Libs.

And you're right, the Conservatives aren't bible thumpers here. In the States yes, but in Canada the limit is their "family values" platform.

Yes, so clearly his criticism is unfounded.

Anyway, you still have not told me how Dion is going to increase his numbers.




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#15 13 years ago
WarHawk109;3403985 Anyway, you still have not told me how Dion is going to increase his numbers.

Simply put, the Liberals have a fairly good track record when it comes to running the country, and the country is not as Conservative as it seems from the way the election went last time. Polls have showed the Conservative support slipping away since their election, and recently slipped below a leaderless Liberal party in support. Dion just needs to restate positions, put together a strong, united campaign, and he would win the next election.




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#16 13 years ago
WarHawk109;3403985 Yes, so clearly his criticism is unfounded.

I said here, implying my province and my point of view, buddy. So it is still largely valid.

Anyway, you still have not told me how Dion is going to increase his numbers.

Never said he was gonna.




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#17 13 years ago

GuineaPig;3404008Simply put, the Liberals have a fairly good track record when it comes to running the country, and the country is not as Conservative as it seems from the way the election went last time. Polls have showed the Conservative support slipping away since their election, and recently slipped below a leaderless Liberal party in support.[/quote] Polls schmolls!

The only poll that matters is on election day.

Dion just needs to restate positions, put together a strong, united campaign, and he would win the next election.

That's not a good enough answer. You haven't explained how he is going to break through in either Ontario, Quebec, or the west.

He may increase his numbers in Ontario a bit if he can get over his lame-duck image, I'll never underestimate the stupidity of Ontario voters, but Ontario alone is not enough to win an election. He's going to have to breakthrough in a lot of areas.

[QUOTE=Nostradamouse;3404018]I said here, implying my province and my point of view, buddy. So it is still largely valid.

I don't see how, since all the real bible-thumpers I know are completely unsatisfied with party leadership. A lot of social conservatives feel they are being taken for granted by Harper.

Never said he was gonna.

My question was not directed towards you.




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#18 13 years ago

Relativity of the point of view warhawk!




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#19 13 years ago
That's not a good enough answer. You haven't explained how he is going to break through in either Ontario, Quebec, or the west.

Your reasons for saying he won't make any gains are not much better :rolleyes: This discussion is entirely pointless, I hope everyone here realizes that. If we were to vote for the coolest person, I'm sure Harper wouldn't have won. Anyways, even if the best leader on earth had won (which isn't the case here, Dion was my least favourite choice for party leadership), I guess you'd still criticize him so I don't see the point of arguing with you at all.

I support Guineapig's opinion. The Canadians voted Conservative because they were angry, not because they wanted them. Basically, its the whole point of the conservative party in Canada, to rule 3 or 4 years before Liberals get new ideas and take over yet again. I think its going to happen again, simply because the Liberal party's ideas are closer to what Canada is, and not of the U.S. republigon party.




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#20 13 years ago
Nostradamouse;3404066Relativity of the point of view warhawk!

so what? just because you think something is so doesn't make it so.