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Cloak Raider

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#21 12 years ago

AfterburnerHere is the real question.

Does it matter? Not really as either way we are born, live, and then die. It doesn't really matter if it is the dream of some strange creature or our own imaginations, it doesn't really matter as the perception remains the same.

Afterburner has hit the nail on the head. What would be any different if we didn't exist? It would just stay the same. Questioning your existance is foolish as it doesn't matter. I mean sure it would be a bit of a shock, but if everything stays the same, it means nothing.




Fire Legion

Your argument is invalid.

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#22 12 years ago
Cloak RaiderAfterburner has hit the nail on the head. What would be any different if we didn't exist? It would just stay the same. Questioning your existance is foolish as it doesn't matter. I mean sure it would be a bit of a shock, but if everything stays the same, it means nothing.

I disagree. First thing first, questioning things is not 'foolish'. Questioning things it what makes us human. Even if it didn't matter (which it does), the more we find out about our world, the better we can make our world. Our inquisitive spirit is what lifted us from mud huts. I think you would care. If you discovered that everything you had ever known, loved, felt, seen, been and cherished was nothing, and non-existant, you would have more than just a bit of a shock.




Karst

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#23 12 years ago
Fire LegionI disagree. First thing first, questioning things is not 'foolish'. Questioning things it what makes us human. Even if it didn't matter (which it does), the more we find out about our world, the better we can make our world. Our inquisitive spirit is what lifted us from mud huts. I think you would care. If you discovered that everything you had ever known, loved, felt, seen, been and cherished was nothing, and non-existant, you would have more than just a bit of a shock.

The point is not that it's foolish, the point is that it doesn't make a difference. If you found out nothing existed, or nothing else did, what difference would it make? If it wasn't existence, what else would you call it?

The way things are is the definition of existence. That means it doesn't matter what the state of being is for everything, if it's a dream or a game or anything, it's still existence, because that's what existence is.




Fire Legion

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#24 12 years ago

It absolutely makes a difference! If everything I know isn't actually there, I would care greatly! That existance would change to me fundamentally- I would try to make things change, try to go into the real world, if there was one. Think about it, if everything you love, cherish, know etc., is meaningless and non-existant, you would care. Things wouldn't change outside of me at first, but I would make change! I wouldn't just sit by and think- oh well, it doesn't matter.




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The Aggressor!

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#25 12 years ago

we do to ourself its simple, if we don't believe we exist then we wouldn't be here discussing it




DarkstuareZ

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#26 12 years ago

There's no way to prove we do/don't exist. Our "existence" could very well be the dream of some other organism.

Just write a bunch of mumbo jumbo making yourself seem really smart. Like what I just did.




Free

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#27 12 years ago
KikooThe stones exist, and I don't believe they can think at all.

A stone once explained me the theory of gravity.




Delta Force

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#28 12 years ago

How could we be a dream for something else? Whenever we dream the things we vizualize don't become real, just as the AI that we make isn't real.

If one were to cease exisiting than would they ever have existed at all? From their point of of view they would not exist (Nor ever have), but to our point of view they would have.

Why would life need to be an illusion, that would be alot of work to decive me (Or others who exist). What point would all of this serve to do.

Therfore, because it would be rediculous to assume otherwise, we must exist.




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#29 12 years ago

Yes there is ,under our human english there is a way to define our existance. \The word existance could not come about with us existing. We exist. When we die, we existed. Did hitler exist ? Yes. Under our very understanding of the universe and our language English and the fact were here to talk about it proves we exist in the universe we are in ,no matter its laws of physic's. Now had you asked did god exist, you would not be able to prove either way, only curcumstantial evidence which doesnt outright prove anything, since the question was phased 'do we exist' the answer is really common sence, yes we do , under all of our understandings of science and the universe, yes we do exist even if for a limited amount of time.




Karst

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#30 12 years ago
Fire LegionIt absolutely makes a difference! If everything I know isn't actually there, I would care greatly! That existance would change to me fundamentally- I would try to make things change, try to go into the real world, if there was one. Think about it, if everything you love, cherish, know etc., is meaningless and non-existant, you would care. Things wouldn't change outside of me at first, but I would make change! I wouldn't just sit by and think- oh well, it doesn't matter.

Why would it become meaningless if it didn't exist? If something's important to you know, why would that change if you found out you didn't exist the way you thought you did? What i'm saying is there's no definitional difference between existing as we do now, and if we were just a dream or the like. We'd still "exist", so to speak. Nothing would be different.