I have to disagree with you as well Nkenobi. You are presenting this all wrong. Yes JP, go loves everyone. This does not mean that he gives people stuff, or that certain people have more money. God does bless his followers, but his punishment for non-followers does not start before death. Judgement day is when his wrath is unleashed. These people are not poor because of what they believe, or don't believe. In fact the richest people in the world are not christians, so it doesn't add up. Now present your arguments better and support them as well. What's this about going to heaven? I'd like to hear that as well. And raised from the dead??? That would make the news senior. Sorry bout the thrashing, but you're just hurting your own arguments.
1) not thatt it couldn't sustain life, just not life as we know it. 2) I also wish to see proof 3) and stupid fukin comment bout Haiti and the US, you can't compare the two. 4) Everything in science is theory. anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. Theories are constantly evolving or being disproven, that is the way science works. 5) The current theory on the creation of the sun is the same as everyother fukin star out there. a cloud of celestial cosmic dust is collected and compressed into a really hot ball of plasma. look it up. 6) There are theories on the creation of the universe. personally mine is that the universe does not come from a single big bang but rather continually regenerates itself. The bang happens the univers expand to critical volume the contracts to critical mass and starts over. 7)
originally by Pvt. Achilles Also, how was it that the sun was created? Or where did the supposed particle that created the big bang come from? If the universe was spontaneously created, where did it come from?
same question put on God. where did he come from? he couldn't have been there scince the beginning of time because if he were what created God? How was there was nothing then something?
PS this is gonna turn into a religios war with no end and everybody at eachothers throats. This is a question on ideology, it cannot be answerd.
True, true vivanolaq. I say have a mod close it. Sorry bout another stink bomb. Just trying to find something other than Bush/Berg/USA/Terrorism/Iraq to talk about. Please close this thread.
Well, Al, obviously you're pretty set in what you believe.
Goddam right I am! *pun intended*
But consider this. If your a scientist at heart, you probably know this, but: Scientists have concluded that if the earth was just a fraction amount closer to the sun, or a fraction further from it, it could not sustain life.
This is true, but what does it prove? There are billions of stars in the universe, and mathematics, the laws of probability, suggest that at least somewhere life will grow due to prerequisite factors coming together.
Also, how was it that the sun was created?
Our sun began it's life as a rotating cloud of interstellar dust and gas. Associated with all matter is the force of gravity, and this stellar nursery was no exception. Matter began a gravitational collapse. Because of the rotation, the cloud flattened and much of the matter became concentrated at its center. Gravity fundamentally depends upon mass and distance; the more massive an object, the stronger the attractive force it exerts on other objects.
At the center, strong gravitational forces confined particles to a relatively small space. As a result, temperatures increased. Over time, enough matter collapsed upon the center that it was heated to the point where nuclear reactions could begin. A star was born.
Nuclear reactions within the core of a star release enormous amounts of energy and create an 0utward pressure that prevents further collapse. It is this balance between pressure and gravity that keeps a star like our sun stable.
Or where did the supposed particle that created the big bang come from? If the universe was spontaneously created, where did it come from?
I'm not an astro-physicist so I can therefore not asnwer this question.
Many questions are rationalized and thrust aside by scientists, but they do pose a problem with their theories.
And many more questions are straight ignored by Christians. A list of which I will soon present to you. Just give me some time to research.
How could the Earth possibly have been randomly place in the perfect positioning with the sun to sustain life.
See above... ^ ^
And also, how could something have evolved from microorganism to humans. I dunno about you, but in the last couple of thousand years humans havent evolved much (if at all). Prove to me my theory is wrong, and then I'll believe you.
Heh, OK. Evolution is an old, old argument. The earth is, according to popular belief, around 4.5 billion years old. 2000 years is a tiny fraction of this time. However, people are on the whole getting taller. Is this not proof of evolution over just a few generations? Ask your Grandparents, they'll confirm that average height is increasing. 4,500,000,000 years man. Not 2000 and not 50.
can we close this damned thing before we are all at each others throats? plz? But if no one will lets just talk about it. Listen to Al, he knows what he is saying
Pvt. AchillesTrue, true vivanolaq. I say have a mod close it. Sorry bout another stink bomb. Just trying to find something other than Bush/Berg/USA/Terrorism/Iraq to talk about. Please close this thread.
Providing people can sensibly discuss these issues, there is no reason why this needs to be closed. I am interested. As V correctly points out, science is theory, not fact. You reach a conclusion about something but that conclusion is open to criticism.
Scientists at one point believed the Earth to be flat, did they not?
Keep it up, and keep it flame free.
Pvt. AchillesOr where did the supposed particle that created the big bang come from? If the universe was spontaneously created, where did it come from?
No one knows. And quite likely no one will ever know.
Well, I suppose it's no good arguing with someone when its clear they won't budge on the matter. But in the end, if I'm right, I go to heaven. If you're right, then nothing happens. To either of us. So I suppose it's better to believe in something, eh? Or you can take your chances. Really, you have equal probability, but you're better off my way.
Pvt. AchillesDo you think that what we do on earth [/QUOTE]
No.Pvt. Achilles And of course there is a heaven and hell
When people realised life had no meaning, they became scared. Why live? So they created a reason: God(s). Everyone creates reasons, but the only point to live, is the one we create.
[QUOTE=Nkenobi]dude, it has happened 1000's of time
Ahah. I wonder why the christian God would bring back people, it would be like punishing them: welcome to paradise, ow sorry, I'll send you back. Enjoy your stinking life! God works in mysterious ways i guess.