Do you believe in child discipline? 181 replies

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#1 12 years ago

Now obviously some people would have different views as to what "discipline" exactly is; I'm going to guess that it is universally known as; going as far as smacking your child should he/she have done something wrong. Only lately have I ever really thought of it as 'fair', is seems to be that the parent is the entity in the equation that cops the most flak, usually from the politically correct police. But it's those bastard kids that have the attitude, the immediate rebuttal heard from those who deem discipline wrong, seems to be linking it with child abuse, which I find absurd, as they are leagues apart. But it seems to me that there are a growing amount of child related crimes could this because of lack of discipline? Would Timmy and Tammy have kicked the crap out of the 61 year old retiree if they were set boundaries and smacked when they had done something very wrong? Please Discuss. (I was smacked when I was a kid, I turned out fine....I think)




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#2 12 years ago

If I didn't fear what was going to happen to me when I got home I would have done anything I wanted. Parents should discipline their kids, without it their kids learn the wrong ideas.




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#3 12 years ago

Parents these days are either too relaxed, or enforce discipline through the wrong methods.

It's either this new age bullshit that they feed their kid, which they will laugh off and cause some un-godly problem only to receive another talking too.

Be smart, but be firm.




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#4 12 years ago

I find it ironic that while such treatment of children is still widespread and even legal in many places, while doing the same to an adult would be considered assault and is punishable by law.

I think beating a child as "discipline" is just a treatment that lazy parents use because they don't want to spend the time and energy to actually make the child understand why it's wrong, or because they're punishing acts that don't really have a reason why they should be punished. Smacking children should be something that has no place in this day, and yes, it is child abuse, and i'm glad I live in a country where it's not legal.




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#5 12 years ago

I follow the line of logic in my signature. I agree with punishment of all sorts including the death penalty, but that’s a different story for a different thread. As for children, yes its true laws exist to punish adults who do socially unacceptable acts, but as children, adults must create their own laws and enforce them. If there is one thing I’ve noticed about generation X, is that they lack common respect for other human beings. I suspect this is because their parents were too busy with someone else to parent those kids. Who were they busy with? Themselves, and their own selfish indulgences. The American motto for many seems to be “Why parent my child when the government will when they reach 18. Besides, I’m to busy with myself to worry over such trivial things as my child’s development and regard for authority, and social order.” Yet I’m not blind to overkill either. A spanking is fine, a beating is not. There are fine lines between the two and only those present can identify them, unless it's after the fact. Some fail to, and take it beyond acceptable, some do not and raise marvelous children. Regardless a child with out discipline, and regard for true punishment, will not be a contribution to society, instead they will be a liability and a drain.




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#6 12 years ago
Sedistix;3812726I follow the line of logic in my signature. I agree with punishment of all sorts including the death penalty, but that’s a different story for a different thread. As for children, yes its true laws exist to punish adults who do socially unacceptable acts, but as children, adults must create their own laws and enforce them. If there is one thing I’ve noticed about generation X, is that they lack common respect for other human beings. I suspect this is because their parents were too busy with someone else to parent those kids. Who were they busy with? Themselves, and their own selfish indulgences. The American motto for many seems to be “Why parent my child when the government will when they reach 18. Besides, I’m to busy with myself to worry over such trivial things as my child’s development and regard for authority, and social order.” Yet I’m not blind to overkill either. A spanking is fine, a beating is not. There are fine lines between the two and only those present can identify them, unless it's after the fact. Some fail to, and take it beyond acceptable, some do not and raise marvelous children. Regardless a child with out discipline, and regard for true punishment, will not be a contribution to society, instead they will be a liability and a drain.

Agreed 100%. You said that excellently!




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#7 12 years ago

The way I see it a talented teacher will be able to educate a child without any violence at all. The problems is that the less talented people think not using any punishment can turn them into very talented teachers, which probably doesn't work out very well. But then again we can also assume that a parent who has no sense for education at all will also exaggerate when someone suggests violence as tool for education and in that case the effects on the child could be just as bad or even worse.

The goal is to teach a child to discipline him/herself and I think that is done through teaching certain values, not through the actual tools used to teach those values.




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#8 12 years ago

I do believe children should have some measure of discipline instilled, but the focus should be more on teaching self-control rather than beating a child into submission. I don't see inflicting pain as the optimal way of getting a child to love you, and certainly I have seen children whose parents hit them because they are incapable of reasonably managing their children. They are incapable as parents.

One of the most vivid examples was from a few months ago, when smacking was right in the forefront of political debate (see below). A father with three children came into work, and one of the boys (about 7) asked if he could have a chocolate bar. The father simply said "no", and smacked him around the head. All I could see in the kids eyes were anger and pain.

If that kid continues to be "disciplined" in that manner, it won't belong before he beats up someone else, and thinks nothing of it. There have been (too) many cases of parents killing their children, or young people killing others with not only no remorse, but no concept of any wrong doing. Recently too, two parents beat their 3 year old son to death; the mother beat with a jug cord for wetting his pants. Then the father beat him with a piece of wood for crying. Then the mother beat him again. Only then did they realise what they had done was wrong, but waited 15 hours before taking him to a hospital. Little guy didn't have a chance.

KarstSmacking children should be something that has no place in this day, and yes, it is child abuse, and i'm glad I live in a country where it's not legal.

As am I. The "anti-smacking" bill was passed earlier this year with a supermajority - 113 for, 7 against.




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#9 12 years ago
masked_marsoe;3812925 If that kid continues to be "disciplined" in that manner, it won't belong before he beats up someone else, and thinks nothing of it. There have been (too) many cases of parents killing their children, or young people killing others with not only no remorse, but no concept of any wrong doing. Recently too, two parents beat their 3 year old son to death; the mother beat with a jug cord for wetting his pants. Then the father beat him with a piece of wood for crying. Then the mother beat him again. Only then did they realise what they had done was wrong, but waited 15 hours before taking him to a hospital. Little guy didn't have a chance.

That is a sickening story, can I ask, do you have a link of any kind to a news article on it? I believe your story, just wish to read more into it. Sad that people don't have the common sense to differ right and wrong.

But then again, people only know what you teach them.




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#10 12 years ago

I can't find a direct source, but I have found a mention of it in an article from the Children's Commissioner. Scoop: We Must Put Children’s Interests First

Actually, I was looking one month ahead in the archives... there we go Couple guilty of toddler's manslaughter | NATIONAL | NEWS | tvnz.co.nz