Do You Think There Should Be More of the Death Penalty? 62 replies

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Darth Bane Dark Lord

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#1 10 years ago

Do you think that there should be the death penalty for more things? Death penalty for murder, robberies, maybe even littering? etc.. Kind of make it like Draco's rule in Athens. What do you guys think? I Think there should definitely be the death penalty for a lot more crimes; it guarantees absolutely no crime repeats. also you would not have nearly as many criminals in prisons for our tax money to feed. Discuss please. I would like to hear your views :)




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#2 10 years ago

Darth Bane Dark Lord;4362451Do you think that there should be the death penalty for more things? Death penalty for murder, robberies, maybe even littering?[/quote]

No, because it might end up as an easy way for the ruling party to get rid of political opponents. And for littering?! Are you serious?

[quote=Darth Bane Dark Lord;4362451]I Think there should definitely be the death penalty for a lot more crimes; it guarantees absolutely no crime repeats. also you would not have nearly as many criminals in prisons for our tax money to feed. Discuss please. I would like to hear your views :)

The problem is that it also guarantees absolutely no pardons. And less serious crimes might also be more difficult to prove. Take your littering example - it would be extremely hard to prove who dropped a particular piece of litter.

Then there's the issue of cost you mentioned. Believe it or not, it is more expensive overall to issue the death penalty to someone than it is to keep them in prison for life. A death row inmate will appeal a lot, and this eats up a lot of state money. And the most common cause of death for death row inmates is actually natural causes. So you have all the cost of a life imprisonment inmate, plus extra legal fees and added security etc.

I will admit that I wasn't aware of the sheer numbers of inmates in America up until recently when there was that thread about it. Still, perhaps more money should be spent on reform or other types of punishment than incarceration. Community service, for example. Or perhaps inmates could do unpaid factory labour or something.




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#3 10 years ago

No, the death penalty should only be reserved for double and so on murders and other heinous crimes.




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#4 10 years ago

Rich19;4362511No, because it might end up as an easy way for the ruling party to get rid of political opponents. And for littering?! Are you serious?

The problem is that it also guarantees absolutely no pardons. And less serious crimes might also be more difficult to prove. Take your littering example - it would be extremely hard to prove who dropped a particular piece of litter.

Then there's the issue of cost you mentioned. Believe it or not, it is more expensive overall to issue the death penalty to someone than it is to keep them in prison for life. A death row inmate will appeal a lot, and this eats up a lot of state money. And the most common cause of death for death row inmates is actually natural causes. So you have all the cost of a life imprisonment inmate, plus extra legal fees and added security etc.

I will admit that I wasn't aware of the sheer numbers of inmates in America up until recently when there was that thread about it. Still, perhaps more money should be spent on reform or other types of punishment than incarceration. Community service, for example. Or perhaps inmates could do unpaid factory labour or something.

First off let me thank you for your view. Now, I was sort of joking with the littering thing:lol: even I am not that crazy. Second, how much does it cost to put a bullet in someones head? not much. Either way I will say that you are right when you say that about our present system of doing things. So if we did add this then we would have to revamp the whole system. Take out death row. No waiting around, just do it. Why wait to get killed? there is no point in that.




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#5 10 years ago

Like Rich mentioned there's no possibility for pardon in the case of death penalty (nor for reversing wrong sentence), it's more expensive than life imprisonment and it lowers us into the level of a criminal from moral point of view if you ask me.

Applying death penalty to robberies etc. would be a costly exaggeration in the expense of human lives: believe it or not folks but with few exceptions criminals are human too (you people know what I mean with word "human" in this case).




Karst

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#6 10 years ago
Darth Bane Dark Lord;4362451Do you think that there should be the death penalty for more things? Death penalty for murder, robberies, maybe even littering? etc.. Kind of make it like Draco's rule in Athens. What do you guys think? I Think there should definitely be the death penalty for a lot more crimes; it guarantees absolutely no crime repeats. also you would not have nearly as many criminals in prisons for our tax money to feed. Discuss please. I would like to hear your views :)

I'm assuming you live in the States? The abolition of the death penalty is definitely one of the greatest reforms of justice of the modern age, even if there still seems to be a single modern democracy that uses it. Most of what I have to say has already been said anyway: despite what seems to be common belief, a death sentence is actually more expensive than any prison sentence; even a life sentence. Also, murder rates and generally violent crime rates are higher in states that have the death penalty. Not to mention it is a violation of the human right to live, but honestly the list of US-perpetrated human rights violations could fill a book so I'm not even going to start here. It's a crude, barbaric and inefficient practice that thankfully has all but disappeared from use.

The only countries who continue to use it in large numbers are Saudi Arabia, the People's Republic of China, and the United States. Pretty depressing company the US is in, really.




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#7 10 years ago

Uhm, no. Mainly because theres a 80% chance you execute the wrong guy, and the government has to spend billions on the bill. And for all the larger countries(Such as the US, or Russia), the governments wouldn't have anything left to spend on law enforcement, because they have been too busy killing off their own guards for stealing a piece of food 1 minute before the cafe was open!




Rich19

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#8 10 years ago

Darth Bane Dark Lord;4362521Now, I was sort of joking with the littering thing:lol: even I am not that crazy.[/quote]

Ah, that's a relief!

[quote=Darth Bane Dark Lord;4362521]Second, how much does it cost to put a bullet in someones head? not much. Either way I will say that you are right when you say that about our present system of doing things. So if we did add this then we would have to revamp the whole system. Take out death row. No waiting around, just do it. Why wait to get killed? there is no point in that.

It really depends on how sure you want to be that they were the criminal. As far as I'm concerned, if there's grounds for an appeal, there's grounds for keeping the person alive until that appeal has been made.

I'm also going to say that, as Karst and Relander said, the moral grounds for killing someone, be it in the name of the state or otherwise, are rather dubious.




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#9 10 years ago

When you leave a man alive and fund his survival in prison what cost to those without prison? What is taken from the child who goes to school, or the man who labours in hospital? Could not our time and money be better spent? To keep one alive in bondage is to place other helpless people who rely on the same grace into the same. Death can be made very cheap, the rather barbaric American system of execution notwithstanding. The survival of one man in prison is to keep others in prison with him, chaining them to the cause of his survival, but in freeing him from that you free also those men upon whom he relied from his burden.

Relander;4362528Like Rich mentioned there's no possibility for pardon in the case of death penalty (nor for reversing wrong sentence), it's more expensive than life imprisonment and it lowers us into the level of a criminal from moral point of view if you ask me.

We're never above it. The difference between 'I shall take from you that I might live better' the basic ethos of a criminal mind, and 'I shall take your liberty/life/goods from you that I might live better' is only ever one of degree. We do no more than exchange values of force, for all the veiled moral talk we engage in around the issue, theft being wrong, 'justice' being right, it simply comes down to us having larger guns which determines the difference.




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#10 10 years ago
NemmerleWe're never above it. The difference between 'I shall take from you that I might live better' the basic ethos of a criminal mind, and 'I shall take your liberty/life/goods from you that I might live better' is only ever one of degree. We do no more than exchange values of force, for all the veiled moral talk we engage in around the issue, theft being wrong, 'justice' being right, it simply comes down to us having larger guns which determines the difference.

Could you elaborate? I didn't understand virtually anything about what you just said.