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#1 11 years ago

This point was brought up in the "Would you kill a puppy..." thread. Does life have any real value to it or do you only care when someone (or something, in the case of pets) dies. If a total stranger dies and someone tells you do you honestly feel bad or do you just absentmindedly say "Oh how sad."

Personally I feel very depressed whenever I hear about any kind of death, even if it is on the other side of the planet. It saddens me to think not really of the person's death, but more loss that mankind suffers whenever someone dies. When a person dies they probably don't care. If there is a God then they probably are in heaven, if there isn't a God the you longer exist, but their life could very well have had a profound effect on the world or simply the people around them. Maybe a death isn't so bad, but that is still one less contributing member of society and even if you don't believe in an afterlife wouldn't it still be best to try to make this world the best we can?




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#2 11 years ago

I'll be honest, I don't really feel alot of remorse when a complete stranger dies.. And if it's of old age, there isn't really anything wrong with that, it's the cycle of life. I think when people feel so much remorse for the death of beloved ones is the thought of them never being around again, not of them actually dying. It would be just as bad if you knew you would never see your mother EVER again as it would be if she were to die. That's my opinion.

EDIT: And I don't think life itself has a sole purpose, nothing really has some ultimate purpose if you think about it in the sense that we're a spec of the universe and we aren't really changing much being here.




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#3 11 years ago

Everything created on this Earth has some sort of value. Everything.




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#4 11 years ago

Life certainly has value, and that value lies partially in potential, partially in past actions, and partially in the persons' present state. Once death happens, two parts of that value disappears, and all that remains is the past actions.

Now, do I feel bad if a stranger dies? Not usually, because I don't recognize their potential, I didn't know their present state, and if they were unknown to me, their actions didn't impact me enough to make me mourn their passing. Occasionally there is a bit of sadness if it was a tragedy, but that mourning is usually for the suffering of humankind, not for the individual especially.

Do I feel bad if an icon dies? Depends on what they did in the past. Comparing the death of Anna Nicole Smith to the death of Abraham Lincoln provides a prime example. Lincoln was a brilliant man, did many great things for our country, and I also realize what potential he had, if only he didn't get assassinated. Anna, on the other hand... well, I think we all know.

Do I feel bad if a relative/someone close to me dies? Of course. This is because I recognize all three parts of their value. I'm going to miss their presence, I'm going to mourn for my past with them, and I'm going to grieve for how much more potential they had. And I know this from firsthand experience from when my father passed away. He had a rough past with himself and with me, his present state was rough still, but he was changing very quickly and dramatically, and his potential was so great, especially being at the age he was.

And I know that's a very objective format to sum up a person's life and death, but it's the best way I can explain it to have it make sense to anyone.




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#5 11 years ago

Life seems to have no value while we're living it, but once it's taken away from us, we feel it. I just learned a pretty painful lesson in this.




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#6 11 years ago
Jesus of Suburbia;3537898Life seems to have no value while we're living it, but once it's taken away from us, we feel it. I just learned a pretty painful lesson in this.

Concurred, it seems all to often that death holds two lessons like that. The age old "you never miss a good thing until it leaves you." Also, it seems that people don't start really living until they feel death creeping on. Of course, then it's usually too late.

Life also holds a kind of "beautiful tragedy" in that way, I guess. As in, if life were eternal, it would hold no value. Without the tragedy, life wouldn't hold any beauty.

That makes me sound like a hippy, I'm aware. :lookaround:




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#7 11 years ago

To the one in control of that life, yes. To someone who stands to gain something from that life, yes. To someone who has no vested interest or need for that life, no.




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#8 11 years ago

Am I realy so wierd that I actually care about strangers? I dont dwell on people I dont know because I have nothing to dwell on but If I saw some one beaten up or dying on the street I would be emotionally affected. I would help that person.

If some one was stealing from my house and didnt hurt anyone in my family if he got caught on something out in the yard and tore open his leg and bleed everywhere and was injured. I would ask if he wanted me to give him medical assistance. I would then stay with the immobalized man and have him return the items to me. I would hope for his better future.

If I saw someone trying to jump off a bridge I would try to stop him or her...

If some one brings a gun to your school and you are surrounded by strangers and friends do you realy feel like one person isnt worth being saved by the swat team ? Maybe one than the other but surely you would feel something for everyone.




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#9 11 years ago
Life seems to have no value while we're living it, but once it's taken away from us

Great words, and so true...you really are Jesus hahaha

Humans are enigmas when it comes to things such as death and realizing mortality and the vast emptiness of existence. We have the thought power and brains to think and dwell on such things but if you've ever actually have dwelled on these things you will find that you get VERY depressed and almost sickened by the thought that if there is no heaven and hell you simply...dont exist (to put it in a simple way)

When I hear about someone I dont know who died I feel more remorse for the people I know who were affected by it. Obviously if that person is murdered or is killed by someone elses hand then I feel pity for the misfortune of that individual.

I get very sad when people I know die, but that is mostly b/c (as for mentioned) I will never be able to communicate or be around them anymore - it's amazing how many regrets come to the surface when someone you know dies.

Even though someone may realize and believe in all these things humans as a species instead half the time revert to fictional thought processes in order to cover up the truth (i.e. religion) and preventing themselves from being in a constant state of depression...we force it to the back of our minds and go through life thinking we'll live forever just b/c we dont want to feel the pain of realizing we wont.

If some one was stealing from my house and didnt hurt anyone in my family if he got caught on something out in the yard and tore open his leg and bleed everywhere and was injured. I would ask if he wanted me to give him medical assistance. I would then stay with the immobalized man and have him return the items to me. I would hope for his better future.

Truely I dont agree with you here....let the bastard bleed to death. He was attempting to do wrong unto you and hurt you and violate your home and your family. Your other points I agree with but not this one.




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#10 11 years ago

I dno, this is a confusing topic, but yah, I think we all have value being human beings i guess...