If there was a sudden disaster that left us with a certain number of medicines, this is what I think it should go down as: Smokers, obese people and drinkers: They deserve no treatment whatsoever since they knew the risks and they expect us to feel sorry for them and treat them as we do as any other patients. I seriously hate people who do smoke, drink or stuff their faces full of so much shit it's not funny. What I'm trying to say, is they do deserve to die. Because I don't give a flying fuck if they're in pain. It was their own fault.
Old People: It depends. If they have a few weeks left, then no, don't treat them, just give them basic pain medication and thats it. If they're in very excruciating pain though, then yes, by all means treat them.
It would be a horrible thing and a step back several centuries to deny the elderly medical treatment for cost reasons, but it does raise an issue that will become increasingly important in the next years and decades. The life expectancy is increasing very rapidly, while the working age has remained the same or even shrunk due to longer education.
When pensions were introduced (in Austria for example at the start of the twentieth century), people who stopped working at 60 rarely lived more than about 5 years past that, if they even reached it.
Now the life expectancy is up to 80 years, but most people live even longer: that is because while there are a fair number of people that die a lot younger than that (due to accidents, illnesses etc.), there are very few people to significantly raise that average by living a lot longer. So the life expectancy for people who don't die of something when they are younger, is actually even higher.
And it can be assumed to keep rising nearly world-wide, especially in China and India (which make up almost half the world population). Only in Sub-Saharan Africa has the life expectancy actually gone down in the last decades and probably won't increase dramatically any time soon.
But the rest of the world will be confronted with the problem of a shrinking workforce. By 2050, if I remember correctly more than half the population of Europe will be over 65 years old. And it'll take on average two working-age people to support one pensioner, with people living easily into their 90's and 00's. (this is all assuming there will be no global crisis/catastrophe related to war, global warming or epidemics, which of course could also easily occur)
How this will problem will be tackled remains to be seen. Already the percentage of elderly voters (not to mention elderly politicians) is high enough that it is highly unpopular to speak of things like raising the pension age. This may have sounded a little off topic but health care is a part of this problem and will become bigger in the future.
About people who require health care because of an addiction: the addiction support groups and rehab centers should be paid for. The treatment of smoker's lung diseases and such should not.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Jose Carlos;4185103It'd be a financial pit with nothing for the society to gain. Sometimes the few must be sacrificed for the behalf of the many.
If you stop treating people in their old age how are you going to justify having taken their money from them for all their lives? The basis of the socialised healthcare system is essentially that we all pay for it, if you deny someone what they've paid for it just becomes theft.
Why draw the line with the old, the smokers, the drinkers, and the obese.
"Hey were still spending too much money, how about we just abolish health care and then we wont have to spend a dime on their worthless asses".
Some people are born to be skinny and some people are born to be fat. Fat is stored in adipose cells. People with a very low adipose cell count have no place to store fat and it gets flushed out of their bodies providing it doesnt lodge in blood vessels as plaque.
Diabetes is a disease and sknny people can get it as well as fat people. People who are fat have a higher suceptibility to it but Diabestes is quickly moving to becoming one of the top three killers in America along with cancer and heart disease.
As for smoking just read a article today that doctors may have developed a vaccine which inhibits the bodies ability to get high from cocaine or nicotine. And its a gradual process so the body doesnt go through withdrawl.
Anlushac11;4186984 "Hey were still spending too much money, how about we just abolish health care and then we wont have to spend a dime on their worthless asses".
I agree. I know you are kidding and all, but I agree.