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#201 12 years ago

Sa Anupuw;4068881yeah it will be sooo enjoyable if you overdose now wouldn't? then getting your stomach pumped? So you need drug for enyoument now? Then your enjoyment turn in addiction...now your doing everything to get your next "enjoyment". I've seen my firends with the same attitue like yours turn in to junkies...crack heads and everything in between, most of them live in Crackhouses...or the streets.[/QUOTE]

If you drink too much water you're going to die, play computer games for too long and you risk it, join the army or drive a car. Living runs the risk of dying. Not all enjoyments turn into addiction mind. I've seen some of my friends OD on stuff and it's not a particularly pleasant sight but at the end of the day drugs aren't hard to put down if you want to. The simple truth is that those who are unable to do so are just weak.

[QUOTE=WhiteShark;4068925]The question is, why do people use drugs? Banning them is only a patch on whatever problems lie behind the answer to that question.

Same reason you use chocolate or coffee, they're fun, some of them even do neat things to your perception.




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#202 12 years ago
Nemmerle;4070074Same reason you use chocolate or coffee, they're fun, some of them even do neat things to your perception.

But there are also other reasons, such as trying to flee from reality out of desperation.




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#203 12 years ago
WhiteShark;4070213But there are also other reasons, such as trying to flee from reality out of desperation.

People use video games to escape from reality. Ever hear of the dreaded WoW heads? People do all sorts of things to escape from reality. The difference is that some are socially acceptable.




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#204 12 years ago

I feel sorry for those who's lives are this troubled that they can no longer gain any enjoyment from the experiences life has to offer.

Spending time with a family that loves you, helping others and putting a smile on someones face, star gazing, art (like I do) music and making music, racing (that's what me and my cousins do) teaching, watching movies, discovering new things, sports, science...raising children...there really is so much.

It's sad because these drugs remove you so far from reality it truely is the only thing you can take back from the experience. Not being in reality, not being in control. There's nothing to show for it. It's sad because life has so much more to experience than being doped up.




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#205 12 years ago
Saquist;4070292I feel sorry for those who's lives are this troubled that they can no longer gain any enjoyment from the experiences life has to offer.

I feel sorry for the people who live in fear and only do what the government thinks is right for them.

Spending time with a family that loves you, helping others and putting a smile on someones face, star gazing, art (like I do) music and making music, racing (that's what me and my cousins do) teaching, watching movies, discovering new things, sports, science...raising children...there really is so much.

You make it sound like everyone who has done or does drugs revolves their life around them. For some, maybe, but not all.

You might as well burn your albums from the 60s and 70s because those guys were baked beyond belief.

It's sad because these drugs remove you so far from reality it truely is the only thing you can take back from the experience.

Native Americans used Peyote in rituals as a spiritual guide.

Not being in reality, not being in control.

You think this sober life is "in control"? You are forced to pay taxes, forced to be apart of the governmental system, and forced to do what the government thinks best for you (law wise). We aren't in control.




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#206 12 years ago

Saquist;4070292I feel sorry for those who's lives are this troubled that they can no longer gain any enjoyment from the experiences life has to offer.

Spending time with a family that loves you, helping others and putting a smile on someones face, star gazing, art (like I do) music and making music, racing (that's what me and my cousins do) teaching, watching movies, discovering new things, sports, science...raising children...there really is so much.

It's sad because these drugs remove you so far from reality it truely is the only thing you can take back from the experience. Not being in reality, not being in control. There's nothing to show for it. It's sad because life has so much more to experience than being doped up.

You can't deny different drugs and different people. Which drug are you making a reference to? If you know anything about drugs, you'll know that some are not an escape from reality (stimulants). Downers are widely considered an escape from reality. While psychedelics aren't known as an escape from reality but are known to twist reality out of proportion. However, some people who are able to control the twist that psychedelics put on reality use it to escape. However, just as many psychedelic users use it to face emotions. Psychedelics actually amplify emotions, bad ones and good ones. Therefor, they can truly not be considered an escape from reality. Research your stuff before you post blindly.

EDIT: I take that last part back. The phrase "Escape from reality" most people mean and interpret as an escape from negative emotions, psychedelics cannot do this. But literally, psychedelics let you escape from reality.




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#207 12 years ago

Saquist;4070292I feel sorry for those who's lives are this troubled that they can no longer gain any enjoyment from the experiences life has to offer.

Spending time with a family that loves you, helping others and putting a smile on someones face, star gazing, art (like I do) music and making music, racing (that's what me and my cousins do) teaching, watching movies, discovering new things, sports, science...raising children...there really is so much.

It's sad because these drugs remove you so far from reality it truely is the only thing you can take back from the experience. Not being in reality, not being in control. There's nothing to show for it. It's sad because life has so much more to experience than being doped up.

And I feel sorry for people as ignorant as you. You know nothing about me or my life. Why do you assume that i need drugs to have a good time, or that i'm troubled? Worthless assumptions.

Which drugs? Do you even know what happens when you use certain drugs? I doubt it because you probably get all your information from government sites, and they completely over exaggerate all the negative affects of any drugs.

I don't even use drugs anymore, and when i did, it was a very rare occasion, so you can stick your assumptions.

Tell me, do you drink alcohol?




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#208 12 years ago

Jeffro;4070371I feel sorry for the people who live in fear and only do what the government thinks is right for them.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate that Jeff but I'm merely recognizing the governments addressing of public safety. I approve of any intentions that are inspired to keep us free from harm or harming others. My thinking merely paralels the government in this case. It's rare that I agree with the government because as I said before the majorty controls the government. The majority does not always know what's best for the minority.

You make it sound like everyone who has done or does drugs revolves their life around them. For some, maybe, but not all.

What I said implied that our lives are too short to spend them in chemical bliss when there are real challenges that energize our spirit and give life meaning. Would you say drug use gives life meaning?

You might as well burn your albums from the 60s and 70s because those guys were baked beyond belief.

I don't have any.

You think this sober life is "in control"? You are forced to pay taxes, forced to be apart of the governmental system, and forced to do what the government thinks best for you (law wise). We aren't in control.

I'm in control. I perceive that I have a choice. Something I can't control but taxes are hardly what I would call a burdeon. I get money back every year. It's not a big deal.

Kev4000;4070395You can't deny different drugs and different people. Which drug are you making a reference to? If you know anything about drugs, you'll know that some are not an escape from reality (stimulants). Downers are widely considered an escape from reality. While psychedelics aren't known as an escape from reality but are known to twist reality out of proportion. However, some people who are able to control the twist that psychedelics put on reality use it to escape. However, just as many psychedelic users use it to face emotions. Psychedelics actually amplify emotions, bad ones and good ones. Therefor, they can truly not be considered an escape from reality. Research your stuff before you post blindly.

EDIT: I take that last part back. The phrase "Escape from reality" most people mean and interpret as an escape from negative emotions, psychedelics cannot do this. But literally, psychedelics let you escape from reality.[/QUOTE]

I can't "deny different drugs different people?" I really don't understand that. However I consider any use of a drug an escape from reality. Sometimes it's used appropriately such as in child birth. There really is no reason to be coherent for that amount of pain it would be like having open heart surgry awake...Like torture. But Life isn't torture. Life is only what we chose to make it.

I've been around many pot heads here in Houston Tx wether I knew it or not. A lot of people smoke it. How much research do you need to know these people are using a chemical as a past time? I'm sure you flet you were giving me good advice but I thought that was really more an insult comment.

[QUOTE=do_NOt_ENTRY;4070442]And I feel sorry for people as ignorant as you. You know nothing about me or my life. Why do you assume that i need drugs to have a good time, or that i'm troubled? Worthless assumptions.

I'm sure I could say the same Entry. But I won't. I feel sorry for drug users because they're missing out. They're taking the risk of chemical dependency over of Life experience...joy, happines even anger and sadness. We truely come together as a people when we can share these emotions. Bonding is a powerful agent.

If you're willing to take the risk how bad does life have to be? Or if willing to take the risk how much respect for your own life do you really have? I have to question it so that when I look inward toward my own limits I compare. Do I give in, once or twice. Give control to a chemical and change my perception artificialy or do I change my perceptions my self? Look for the silver lining or gather strenght from a person that I can hold and rely upon. I could rely on the drug but that would be the easy way. Self administered joy and pleasure. It doesn't really include or require anyone else. I understand it. I find that in my artwork. But I have something to show for that time. I have a skill and a memory and something to share with others.

Which drugs? Do you even know what happens when you use certain drugs? I doubt it because you probably get all your information from government sites, and they completely over exaggerate all the negative affects of any drugs.

I'm sure you believe so. I doubt I could convince you otherwise. I'm not paranoid about what others believe about me and I really can't take offense at your persception of me. At this point I have to consider is how well I know myself. I'm a huge meditator and while I have many shorcomings at least I know them. I can spot them and appolgize for them.

I don't even use drugs anymore, and when i did, it was a very rare occasion, so you can stick your assumptions.

Well that's good. Don't you?

ell me, do you drink alcohol?

No. Never. I saw what it did to my father and my family. It's true that not everyone I saw use alcohol did the same thing or that he really ever got drunk. But I saw how important it was to him. It was a vise. There was always more beer than food. MD 20/20, Jack Daniels, Socky, Vodka...Always that brown bag with the rabbit on the front...No thankyou. I've no desire to lose control.




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#209 12 years ago
WhiteShark;4070213But there are also other reasons, such as trying to flee from reality out of desperation.

There's a massive difference between drug use and drug abuse. You have problems with people who eat to escape depression or who drink too much alcohol, it's not up to us to run their lives for them.




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#210 12 years ago

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Don't give me negative feedback just because i disagree with you. That's fucking pathetic. I'm not willing to have an argument with someone who does that, but i will say that your post was very ignorant; you should do some more research on the subject.

I simply said don't assume something and discard everything i said with that assumed statement, just so you know "I'm sure" implies you were guessing at it, which is what i was referring to