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#1 11 years ago

Recently there have been a lot of threads which point out that parent's should be blamed for many of the things that go wrong with today's youth.

So how would you educate your child in respect to some of the following points: -violence (movies, videogames, use of force to solve problems) -drugs -religion -discipline -morality -politics -homosexuality (add more if you like to) I think it is interesting to spend some thought on this because sometimes there may be conflicts between what you think is right and what you'd allow your children.




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#2 11 years ago

-On Violence, teach them in two arts of self defense, physical, and mental, well for physical they are going to have to go to Gung Fu lessons, but teaching them about dealing with anger and the mental side of things at a young age will help them. Attacking the opponent or atleast keeping them off your back mentally is good aswell, as it is better to make them laugh and forget about bothering you than simply hurting them and making them cry. Later on teach them "Art of War" by "Tsun Zu" (spelled wrong, I know) and maybe a bit of Machiavelli, though the latter moreso about how to make sure that when we do the wrong thing, we do it so that it doesn't end up as bad as it could be.

-On drugs, teach them what addiction means, teach them what addiction can make people do, and teach them how to better get happy without substances.

-On Religion, raise them up with an open mind, with God in their hearts, teaching them my interpretation of the Bible, but allowing them some free thought on the matter. Teaching them the wonders of complexity and how amazing the world that we don't understand is, lest they fear the unknown.

-On Discipline, one must learn to want to do something or it will never get done, so you teach them the benefits of their actions and the problems of their pragmatacism, they don't want to clean their room, then let it build for a while, then when they are off elsewheres get something with a foul smell and blame the uncleanness for it, they will either use their room (and learn what it's like to sleep on a couch rather than a soft high thread count egyption satin bed) or clean it, after which point the smell will still be present and they will keep looking for its source, at which point you distract them somehow, remove a bit of the source so that it slowly begins to go away, and then let them re-enter. If it's immediate they'll know somethings up. Later on, if they don't want to do dishes, then the dishes don't get done and they pile up, the child will wash a dish to get that dish clean for eating supper on. Hitting, or physicaly attacking the child will do nothing to them, but harden their resolve and make them violent in themselves. Verbal abuse attributes similarly and can lead another slew of problems down the road.

-On politics, show them what presidents can do versus what they promise to do and keep them informed of the world situation, of the starving and the homeless and the tortured (okay, maybe not graphically on the last one) and get them to care about them and pick the president or senator or whatever that will help those people the most.

-Homosexuality, teach them not to attack or be angry at gay people, or for that matter people different than them, but also teach them that homosexuality in the act is wrong

-On Sex, introduce them to the subject (with harsh seriousness) at a relatively early age with a cold view on it, let them warm up to it when they are ready. On the sub topic of masturbation, I'm fine with it so long as I don't here about it (there is to be no talking about masturbation at any time), see any results of it (it is to be cleaned up) and I don't loose my work from it (no viruses from bad porn sites. On another sub topic, porn, I am not going to show it to them, nor am I going to sit by while an 8 year old watches hardcore sex, there are appropriate times for things, and some things are meant to come later (in their teens) than others. When they are old enough, they can search for it by themselves and clean up their searching for themselves. I'll know if something starts to go wrong with it because I know what can go wrong with it.

-On Having Sex, no sit down talk explaining how it works or anything, but why one does it, when one is very much in love and knows someone very intimately and when one is ready to accept whatever consequences come of having sex because they love that person that much, and the other person loves them equaly. STD education, protection education, pregnancy education.




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#3 11 years ago

-violence - i would let him play games that deal with killing or what not, but if i can sense its changing him, then yes thats the limit. -drugs - no drugs at all. not even a ciggerete. hes out of the house if hes caught. -religion - that, i will leave up to him. its his choice. -discipline - he will be mannered. not some red neck. -morality - hopefully he learn to have good manners. but we can work on that -politics - um i seriously dont care lol -homosexuality - no sex untill end of high school (with protection)




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#4 11 years ago

Hmm, i would take my parents approach

Violence-Watch all the violence you care for, teach the young'un how to properly defend himself and more importanly WHEN to defend himself.

Drugs-Users never appealed to me as the kind of people i would ever want to have something in common with so i hope any children of mine would share a common sentiment. Instilling pride in your child probably could go a long way to keeping them clean. Except for booze, when he turns 16, daddy is gonna show him how to hold his liquor.

Religion-Teach him (or at least expose him) to a bunch of different religions and let him find his own deeper meaning. My folks tried to ram christianity down my throat and it backfired. If Jr. wants to be a priest, thats his bag but i will have no part in it.

Morality-Teach him to be lawful in all that he does but to always be mindful of working within a system. Victory goes to those who take advantage of all angles even the less than stellar ones.

Politics-Long as he aint communist. Otherwise its disownment.

Homosexuality-Just get me some grandkids, i dont care how.

My future ambition would be to have a child i could pass on all the neat little things my old man showed me. How to field dress a deer with a leatherman, fix a lawnmower and all that other mundane stuff.




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#5 11 years ago

Violence - depends on the kid. I have a genetic disorder, osteogenesis imperfecta (see here for details - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteogenesis_imperfecta - I have type 1), which would possibly be passed on. Violence is usually not an option for me. In general though, violence is not the answer.

Drugs - avoid. Simple, really.

Religion - I'll leave it up to them, but I won't be going off to church every sunday, which might sway them a bit in favour of atheism. I'd hope they end up atheist, but wouldn't try to talk them into it.

Politics - Up to them, but it would be nice if they ended up on the left instead of the right. As with religion though, I wouldn't force them into anything.

Discipline/morality - don't get too rebelious. ;) I'd also try to make sure they end up knowing all the right/wrongs.

Homosexuality - don't discriminate. I don't want to hear any "this is gay" as a general insult/term for bad things, at all.

Racism - same as above.




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#6 11 years ago

Violence- never use violence in anger or for revenge, but once the first punch is thrown, don't hold back. And know how to not be a doormat without always resorting to violence,

Drugs- teach them about them, trust that they won't do it out of the house, and tell them they can't do it in the house

Religion- take them to church with me, and teach them what I know, but encourage them to find out about other religions. Once thier 14, they can decide to continue with me or find thier own path.

Politics- know what you believe in and stand by it (not just along party lines)

Discipline- if you do something that I think is wrong, you will be punished, I won't be afraid to spank my child but it would never be my first response

Sex- have them take all the sex ed courses in school, make sure they know the consequences of thier actions, and the reality if something goes wrong

Homosexuality and Rasicim- don't hate a person just because you don't agree with them, or they act different from you. Try to understand other people, and never be afraid of something new... within reason (see discipline)




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#7 11 years ago

Violence- Tell him how to defend himself, when and how( physical attacs, mental games, and others). Drugs- Speak about every drug topic, showing him it's a bad thing and should never be considered a way to escaping to other bad things. Religion- Because I believe in many christian values, but don't believe in God, I think I would give him liberty to choose his own religion, unless he turned into an eremit or an fanatc. Politics- Center, a bit inclined to right when about social thoughts. Teach him about the many choices and the way people think. I guess, it's up to him, altough I would get very angry if he went extreme right or left. Discipline- Authority right up! I will give him a lot of space for many things, but, for others, I shall force him to obey( something that's the way things need to be done).

Sex- Same as JohnQPublic84 Homosexuality- Try to understand it, and don't discriminate them, just because they are different.




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#8 11 years ago

Violence: Give my theoretical child moderated access (i.e. available on request, with guidance) to some violent films, PC games, and books that deal with violence in order to understand its media portrayal. Also give them access to a martial arts class should they wish to understand the disciplines. Access to martial arts should be available upon trust.

Drugs: Introduce my children to small quantities of alcohol at a young-ish age, and never hide its benefits and downsides. It should be noted however, that I do not drink.

Religion: Tell my child absolutely nothing of it, and see what path they follow. Cross fingers and pray that it's not blind faith in whatever sounds interesting at the time.

Politics: Teach my child that it's not about which party, which side, which wing...Whatever, try to show the kid that it's nothing to do with aligning yourself to a doctrine, but voting for whoever agrees with a majority of your principles. Also teach them that voting is not a necessity when choosing between two evils.

Discipline: Initially, be slightly stern if necessary. Gradually back off as the child grows and becomes more in-control of their actions.

Sex: Never shy away from the kid when they have an issue, if the child turns out to be female though, I probably have no part to play in teaching her. Otherwise, let him come to me and not vice versa. I know I wouldn't be comfortable in a random discussion about sex, so why subject my children to it?

Homosexuality & Other Discrimination: Neither encourage or discourage homosexuality within my children, and give them no reason to find fault about the sexuality, gender, age, race [...] of another.

Disclaimer: Be ready to scrap this when I have children due to the lack of foresight I have now on the subject.




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#9 11 years ago
MrFancypants;3531460 So how would you educate your child in respect to some of the following points: -violence (movies, videogames, use of force to solve problems) -drugs -religion -discipline -morality -politics -homosexuality (add more if you like to) I think it is interesting to spend some thought on this because sometimes there may be conflicts between what you think is right and what you'd allow your children.

I decided along time ago that the problem with society in general is a lack of common sense. When you get right down to it I believe a person can be taught common sense. Let the kid touch the stove, burn the shit out of his/her hand and learn never to touch a hot stove again.

I think teaching causality to a child would bring about a profound understand on why and what drives the people around them. Knowing why someone does the things they do allows you to understand and accept the things that they do. This would prevent them from making broad generalizations about homosexuals or getting sucked into the many brain washaterias that are churches.

On top of teaching common sense I would do everything in my power to provide for learning to read and right a second language and learning mathematics as soon as humanly possible. If I have my way my children will be fluent in spanish and algebra by the time they hit 4th grade. Mathematics is pure logic. If a child can be taught logic while gaining real world social experience the two will merge into a way of thinking that will set the child apart.

In my opinion if the child is properly taught common sense he/she will know not to pick fights, they'll know not to do drugs, and they'll opinions on morality and politics.




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#10 11 years ago
MrFancypants;3531460 So how would you educate your child in respect to some of the following points: -violence (movies, videogames, use of force to solve problems) -drugs -religion -discipline -morality -politics -homosexuality (add more if you like to) I think it is interesting to spend some thought on this because sometimes there may be conflicts between what you think is right and what you'd allow your children.

I decided along time ago that the problem with society in general is a lack of common sense. When you get right down to it I believe a person can be taught common sense. Let the kid touch the stove, burn the shit out of his/her hand and learn never to touch a hot stove again.

I think teaching causality to a child would bring about a profound understand on why and what drives the people around them. Knowing why someone does the things they do allows you to understand and accept the things that they do. This would prevent them from making broad generalizations about homosexuals or getting sucked into the many brain washaterias that are churches.

On top of teaching common sense I would do everything in my power to provide for learning to read and right a second language and learning mathematics as soon as humanly possible. If I have my way my children will be fluent in spanish and algebra by the time they hit 4th grade. Mathematics is pure logic. If a child can be taught logic while gaining real world social experience the two will merge into a way of thinking that will set the child apart.

In my opinion if the child is properly taught common sense he/she will know not to pick fights, they will know not to do drugs, and they'll form their own opinions on morality and politics.




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