EU - Counterbalance or companion for the USA? 33 replies

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Relander

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#1 11 years ago

Some people say that the European Union is becoming world's second superpower in addition to the United States. The economic growth has been strong and newly created EU crisis management forces or Battle Groups not only increase military independency from the USA and flexibility to conduct operations, but also strenghtens EU's position in world politics.

But what kind of relation the EU should have towards the USA or should we concentrate on partnership with Russia and selected Asian countries such as India?




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#2 11 years ago

It would be stupid to throw away our link with the US entirely. We should co-operate with them to a sensible degree. But we should also be independant of them, and not just follow the US around like dogs. It requires a balance.




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#3 11 years ago

Serious counterbalance for the USA. Well its kind of easy, if a country doesn't have any serious opposition, they will do as they please. This has already been shown with the Unites States. So as I said....Serious counterbalance for the USA.




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#4 11 years ago

As with other powers that be: A strong and good relation in which the partners are still critical of eachother. Support eachother where you can but don't be afraid to speak your mind about things you are not very pleased with.

This goes for all international relations really. Everybody should help eachother were they cna and share a commongoal but also fight for things they disagree with (thus counterbalancing were needed).

The reason? United you stand strong but following any partner blindly might do you a lot of harm. If a partner does something you disagree with then you should let them know and try to prevent the other from doing what the intend to do (talks or if it's something really serious use "force" [can be economical, political, militairy, ...] ).




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#5 11 years ago

I don't think the EU should try to be an ally or counterbalance for the US or Asia, but rather a negotiator in between with close ties to both sides. Cooperating with the east should get a bit more attention though as it will be more difficult than cooperating with the US.




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#6 11 years ago

A close partnership, the EU is just starting and should take baby steps while following the US's example (Yeah yeah, I know alot of y'all would disagree, but we have an economy bigger than the next three largest economies combined... apparently we're doing something right!)




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#7 11 years ago

Well, the E.U. isn't near as united as the U.S. or at least from what I've read, being as U.S. states don't have individual military forces...

But, I agree with Donutz, were all on the planet together, and the purpose of a "country" is the happiness and saftey of its citizens, and (if possible) the help of other people in other countries, the better we can help each other, the better off we will be.




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#8 11 years ago

*SW3D3*Well its kind of easy, if a country doesn't have any serious opposition, they will do as they please. This has already been shown with the Unites States.[/QUOTE] Though forming a strong counterbalance quickly leads to heated relationship, political, economic & military race and fight from power, draining valuable resources from other issues like developing domestic markets, services and so on. Patriotism gets more ground and in need of acquiring more security, people start relying on tougher, unilateral & even desperate measures like military build-up and voting extreme groups: the USA won't let any party in the world to shaken its dominance. Look what happened during Cold war.

That is why I think we need steady economic & political cooperation with the USA, but also critical voices. Every country better listens its friends than its enemies and we can avoid serious contradicting interests at global politics & costly commerce quarrels. Great Britain is too close to the USA and Germany & France think too much from European point-of-view. By open dialogue & cooperation, European Union can become second superpower in the world with less threat for the USA. In the same time we must stay as united as we can towards relations with US and offer carrot & stick together, not just stick like in the case of prelude to campaign of Iraq.

MrFancypantsCooperating with the east should get a bit more attention though as it will be more difficult than cooperating with the US.

Agreed. Thinking outside the box and pointing out the interests of EU at diplomatic way for Asian countries is decent option.

[quote=G®33N<@|>]A close partnership, the EU is just starting and should take baby steps while following the US's example (Yeah yeah, I know alot of y'all would disagree, but we have an economy bigger than the next three largest economies combined... apparently we're doing something right!)

European Union isn't new concept anymore, it's already 15 years old and it was founded on the base of European Economic Community & European Community. It has wide & competitive domestic market (propably the largest in the world), strong economic cooperation, increasing political cooperation and own crisis management forces (ERRF, EUBG). I don't think the USA is a good example for the future development of EU at economic, political nor military sense and it must go its own way. Cutting down bureaucracy, increasing transparency & EU parliament's power, reforming constitution, strenghtening its own military capabilities at logistics & intelligence sectors and energy questions are what me must really concentrate on.

By the way, at what indicator the USA is bigger economy than three following ones? GDP per capita, purchasing power parity, growth?




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#9 11 years ago

How would it be a counterbalance? As the Iraq war showed, the US can gather allies and support for a cause with or without the EU's support.




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#10 11 years ago

Belligerent counter balance. We need a new arms race