Europe despises the USA? Come on...let's be honest here. 101 replies

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Jill

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#1 12 years ago

I thought about this question long a hard for the past few days. This is what I come up with. This of course is just my opinion. I feel the USA is a victim of resentment around the world. The USA is a freedom loving country. Countries in Europe for example are anti democratic. I also feel that American sympathy for Israel and European support for the Arabs don't help matters either. The rest of the world hates the fact that the USA is the status of a superpower and makes decisions of international law. There are many people who are angry with America. Some of it maybe justified, however, there are the dark reasons. They are jealous of America's economic success. They are angry that the world's most wealthy super nation does not reduce their poverty. They are annoyed that U.S. foreign policy does not represent their interests. They become upset with the U.S. when their domestic goals are not realized. Although much of the world hates the USA, until recently few Americans were aware of this. Then 911 opened their eyes bringing home the world's intense, vengeful hatred for our country.




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#2 12 years ago

I think much of the disdain from Europeans is directed towards the ignorant Americans. That, along with our meddling administrations (yes, including Clinton and other former presidents) is what makes up most of the Europeans dislike of the US. They aren't jealous, they aren't freedom haters or anti-democratic.

The world is sick of our interference in other countries. Not just Europe, the entire Middle East is sick of us with the exeption of a few countries, most of South America is sick of us, most of Canada has some doubts about us. It is a worldwide coalition against the US, and you, and people like you just don't understand it. Take the time to listen to the voices of some foreigners on these forums. There are many, and each one can tell you a problem they have with the United States.




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#3 12 years ago

Ah yes, I hate Americans, that's why I want to live in Alaska. Somehow I think a lot of the bad feeling comes from this generalisation people like you seem to do. I don't hate America, I hate some Americans but I also have many great American friends. Like as not a lot of the rest of Europe is much the same and gets pretty sick of being told how much they hate you.




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#4 12 years ago

The problem is simply hypersensitivity and ludicrous amounts of patriotism and national pride on the US's side. Insulting politicians is more of a sport in Europe, why don't you join the fun instead of getting all serious about it? If I dare to say anything that is not in praise of the heroic deeds of our saviour, Bush, seventh ruler of heaven and destroyer of worlds, I'm instantly regarded as freedom-hater, nazi, communist, tree-hugger, hippy and terrorist.

I can't understand why you'd want to defend a politician that much, those people did and will continue to screw you over - no matter where you live.




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#5 12 years ago

:gpost: Time and time again we say, it's not YOU the criticism is aimed at. Is it personally your decision to invade another country? Do you have problems with the English language? Is your name George? Are you paranoid?

However, I also find Americans get the reasons it's government is resented entirely wrong. Not everyone wants you to "spread freedom" to their country. Everyone is most certainly not jealous because you reguard yourselves as the greatest, best, most brilliant country at everything ever. And most of the rest of the world is not harbouring terrorists.




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#6 12 years ago

First of all, there is not a single western European country that is anti-democratic. Even the Holy See is a democracy.

Log, though she started out referring to the European community, her references to the September 11th attacks indicates that she later moved on to talk about the entire world, rather than just that little corner of it. Therefore, you can not hate her for this view. Or, to extend that point, hate anyone for that view. Either way, to hate someone for creating an opinion is rather childish. And then to insult her intelligence only hammers home the fact that you can't handle it when someone disagrees with you.

Nem, if she were to talk about all of the groups of people... Well, the original post would probably be still in hte process of being written. Generalizations, although often too hasty, are sometimes necessary (to a degree).

Fancy, there is nothing wrong with being proud of your nation. It is when this pride blinds a person that it becomes dangerous. Granted, this has happened in some cases, but not nearly as often as you may think. We insult our politicians quite a bit, but not to the level of calling them Nazis, communists, fascists, et cetera. Terms, in other words, that I have heard European and Asian politicians, as well as their supporters, call eachother. Perhaps this would have been easier in a pre 9/11 world, but simply poking fun at a wartime politician is rather impolite, to put it nicely.

You support, or at least I do, the policies and beliefs of the political system. If Bush turned around after the G8 summit and said that Russia would be making new nuclear weapons, and that Iran can have whatever they want, I'd be rather frustrated, to say the absolute least. If Teddy Kennedy came out and said we need to stay the course in Iraq, North Korea and Iran must be delt with harshly, and dropped this free healthcare bit, I'd probably support him too. Well, maybe not Teddy (the swimmer) Kennedy, but you get the idea.




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#7 12 years ago

I've never stated that I hate anyone, nor do I hate her for any comments she has made. I am not insulting her intelligence either, just suggesting that she take the time to become more informed on some of the disdain from Europeans. To suggest that I hate someone when I have not suggested so shows a lack of comprehension. But it happens, so I don't fault you for it. I just don't want to be accused of something I am not guilty of, which in this case is hate.




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#8 12 years ago
USMA2010Nem, if she were to talk about all of the groups of people... Well, the original post would probably be still in hte process of being written. Generalizations, although often too hasty, are sometimes necessary (to a degree).

There's a lot of people who get sick of hearing how much they hate Americans. Maybe it is convenient to generalise things but it doesn't make it any more accurate.




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#9 12 years ago

I'm European and I don't hate Americans... that doesn't mean I have to like your government's foreign or even domestic policy decisions but then that's none of my bussiness anyway. The Americans I do dislike are the pompous sort that believe America is God's gift to the world. They really annoy me... ah well they're probably a minority. Some Irish Americans annoy me too, only the really ignorant ones that think we eat corned beef, drink guinness all day and like to talk BS about Northern Ireland. We are fond of the beer though.




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#10 12 years ago

USMA2010 Fancy, there is nothing wrong with being proud of your nation. It is when this pride blinds a person that it becomes dangerous. Granted, this has happened in some cases, but not nearly as often as you may think. We insult our politicians quite a bit, but not to the level of calling them Nazis, communists, fascists, et cetera. Terms, in other words, that I have heard European and Asian politicians, as well as their supporters, call eachother. Perhaps this would have been easier in a pre 9/11 world, but simply poking fun at a wartime politician is rather impolite, to put it nicely. [/quote] Well, the way I see it it doesn't make much sense to be proud of a country. I'm not proud to be a German because Beethoven was a German as well, that is just a coincidence and I certainly didn't have anything to do with his genius. I think if someone says he is proud to be from a certain nation because of an attribute, or action, or certain person from that nation, then he is at least subconsciously giving in to the belief that there is somehting like a genetic difference between people of different nations. If you see those nationalistic ideas through to their end you end up at a place where I don't want to be :)

Patriotism is good to unify a country, but that's about it. From there on it is abused by politicians to manipulate the crowd. Sometimes the effects are disastrous (look at German history), while in other cases it's just enough to get over some uncomfortable questions.

As for politicians, most of them try to manipualte the people and that is not really encouraging me to be polite to them.

[QUOTE=Logyka]I've never stated that I hate anyone, nor do I hate her for any comments she has made. I am not insulting her intelligence either, just suggesting that she take the time to become more informed on some of the disdain from Europeans. To suggest that I hate someone when I have not suggested so shows a lack of comprehension. But it happens, so I don't fault you for it. I just don't want to be accused of something I am not guilty of, which in this case is hate.

I agree, but the phrase you used can easily be misunderstood so I edited it out. If anyone isn't happy with this decision PM me please.