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KoЯsakoff

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#1 13 years ago

OK here's the deal.. Soon we (dutchies) have a referendum about having a European Constitution above the one that we have already. Now i wanna know wot u guys think of this s*#t. I really oppose to it, caus it has somemany things innit that i just dont agree with. I don't know what the other Europeans do, but i hope that the Netherlands will leave this thing that we call "European Community", it stinks..

Plz vote the poll and add some comment.




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#2 13 years ago

Ok, here we go then :P Hi btw I'm not quite sure how serious to take the whole referendum, since they're already talking about agreeing with that constitution even when the majority votes "no"... Seems a bit weird to me. Second, I'm not so much against the whole constitution, I think... I think indeed... I'm not sure, since I haven't gotten any info, except for a little folder which says we're voting for the European Constitution, that it's important to vote, bla bla bla... Don't worry, I'll vote... But I'll vote no... Simply because the government refuses to give me like s ummary or anything similar of the constitution, so I can judge for myself.. All we have now is media handing us pro's (mainly) and cons (hardly). It's basically suspision that I'm voting no... We don't get any info, and now the majority seems to be voting no the government gets all desperate. There's something smelly about that if you ask me... There's probably a catch in it somewhere and most likely not for the better... Ok, I'm done I think :P




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#3 13 years ago

we are having a referendum too on the 27th of september. i haven't studied the constitution yet, and as such don't know yet wether i should vote yes or no.




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#4 13 years ago

I have no idea what the constitution will change (we wont even vote about it here), but feel free to enlighten me ;).

KoЯsakoff really oppose to it, caus it has somemany things innit that i just dont agree with.

Like? Some examples would be cool.




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#5 13 years ago

Our referendum is on the first of june and it's not looking good for the yes-voters.

I would however like to say that I am going to vote yes. I believe that this constitution is the next step to a big united Europe. Many people are going to vote no because they believe we are going to loose a lot of our veto rights in Europe, but I do believe that what we strive for is one united Europe, so that our say will be less than those of the bigger countries simply because there are more people living there. Then ofcourse you've also got the people that vote no because of "the euro sucks, so I don't believe in Europe any more..." and "the East-European countries are constantly winning the Eurovision songfestival..." :uhoh:




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#6 13 years ago

Haha the Swedish goverment don't dare to do a referedendum about this since they know that the NO-side would win. I'm all for it though... @Master of Puppets: I'm not sure on everything in it, but those things I believe is important are i.e that police forces from different countries will have even more easier to work together...But here I found a Swedish sight, that isn't very long. Read it, pick out the important parts, abd write it down in English so rest of the forums can understand it:D http://futurum2005.eun.org/ww/sv/pub/futurum2005/information/constitution.htm

'LIGHTNING [NL'] and "the East-European countries are constantly winning the Eurovision songfestival..."

LOL...But they are right, I'm getting VERY annoyed that all the East-Europeans vote high score on their buddys and neighbours. Its the same with Greece and Cyprus, they do it as well - every year Greece get 12 points from Cyprus and the opposit around:rolleyes: - That is annoying;)




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#7 13 years ago

Against, I do not believe that exporting all our control over the running of our own country to mainland Europe will be of benefit to my country. This goes through and most laws will be decided by people who are not democratically elected by the people but are instead appointed without our consent, maybe it's just me but I think that's wrong.




KoЯsakoff

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#8 13 years ago

'LIGHTNING [NL']Our referendum is on the first of june and it's not looking good for the yes-voters.

I would however like to say that I am going to vote yes. I believe that this constitution is the next step to a big united Europe. Many people are going to vote no because they believe we are going to loose a lot of our veto rights in Europe, but I do believe that what we strive for is one united Europe, so that our say will be less than those of the bigger countries simply because there are more people living there. Then ofcourse you've also got the people that vote no because of "the euro sucks, so I don't believe in Europe any more..." and "the East-European countries are constantly winning the Eurovision songfestival..." :uhoh:[/QUOTE]

Bout the Euro.. indeed it sucks. WE (dutchies) lost 10 to 15% of our income due to the stupid thing. (YES, i do care bout the *&*!@^% money!) And IF the constitution will proceed, next time there will be a referendum on things, wich could benefit Holland and not France or Germany (country's with most ppl) if they were to vote no, we would be screwed over and over. In fact we are screwed now by the EU. As we pay most tax over everything. :rolleyes:

'Nemmerle'Against, I do not believe that exporting all our control over the running of our own country to mainland Europe will be of benefit to my country. This goes through and most laws will be decided by people who are not democratically elected by the people but are instead appointed without our consent, maybe it's just me but I think that's wrong.:[/QUOTE]

Your damn right, why would you give away control? Its happend already btw over here (Brussels decides 9 out of 10 things) and we aint getting any better by it.

[QUOTE='Mast3rofPuppets']I have no idea what the constitution will change (we wont even vote about it here), but feel free to enlighten me .

[QUOTE='KoЯsakoff'] really oppose to it, caus it has somemany things innit that i just dont agree with.

Like? Some examples would be cool.

http://europa.eu.int/constitution/index_en.htm I found the english version of the darn thing, so feel free to read some of it. Now my examples why i'm against it: -1st. This thing would lead to it (mainly) that turkey would join the EU, i'm against that because it's in Asia, and (i'm not a nazi or whatever) those ppl dont fit here. Normaly in a country you should adapt, they just do their own things, and wanna make their days like ramadan a national day. YEAH LIKE NO F*&^ING WAY THATS GONNA HAPPEN!! We live in Holland, if you dont like the way we do things, leave and never come back. Or just adapt, and dont go like we wanna have it this way and if not we're gonna kill you. -2nd. We would lose mainly our voice (they say there is no people's voice but sure as hell is) France has like 56 million ppl i believe, Germany has 82.5 million, if they vote all the same, all the other country's can pack and prepare for the worst (depends on the scenario). -3rd. Abuse of animals. According to the constitution (the new 1) bull-fighting should be allowed, and the sacrifice of goats (done by muslims) should also be allowed. -4th. No country is allowed to extradite a prisoner where there is chance that he/she is going to get the deathpenalty. I'm not a religious person but i know this out of the bible, you shall not kill, but it also says an eye for an eye, witch makes it if you kill - you die. Sounds hard, but i believe in that. -5th. The whole constitution is writin in such words that almost nobody can understand what it says, so its deliberately so confusing that you would have to be Einstein to know what it says, and if you do understand it, you would see that many things are conflicting with eachother.

Hope this is enough :p




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#9 13 years ago
KoЯsakoff Like? Some examples would be cool. http://europa.eu.int/constitution/index_en.htm I found the english version of the darn thing, so feel free to read some of it. Now my examples why i'm against it: -1st. This thing would lead to it (mainly) that turkey would join the EU, i'm against that because it's in Asia, and (i'm not a nazi or whatever) those ppl dont fit here. Normaly in a country you should adapt, they just do their own things, and wanna make their days like ramadan a national day. YEAH LIKE NO F*&^ING WAY THATS GONNA HAPPEN!! We live in Holland, if you dont like the way we do things, leave and never come back. Or just adapt, and dont go like we wanna have it this way and if not we're gonna kill you. -2nd. We would lose mainly our voice (they say there is no people's voice but sure as hell is) France has like 56 million ppl i believe, Germany has 82.5 million, if they vote all the same, all the other country's can pack and prepare for the worst (depends on the scenario). -3rd. Abuse of animals. According to the constitution (the new 1) bull-fighting should be allowed, and the sacrifice of goats (done by muslims) should also be allowed. -4th. No country is allowed to extradite a prisoner where there is chance that he/she is going to get the deathpenalty. I'm not a religious person but i know this out of the bible, you shall not kill, but it also says an eye for an eye, witch makes it if you kill - you die. Sounds hard, but i believe in that. -5th. The whole constitution is writin in such words that almost nobody can understand what it says, so its deliberately so confusing that you would have to be Einstein to know what it says, and if you do understand it, you would see that many things are conflicting with eachother. Hope this is enough :p

If this is the deal....I'm changing side....Goooo NO! I don't want Turkey in here, I don't want to let the Frenchis descide over me, bull-fighting is a very very sick thing, and it makes me sick that people (Spanish) enjoy this:confused: About the 4:th one, well AFAIK most Europeans countries already have this rule.




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#10 13 years ago

I don't think Turkey should be allowed in either, but the other things I haven't heard of--like this bull-fighting stuff; it is very sick.

KoЯsakoff5th. The whole constitution is writin in such words that almost nobody can understand what it says, so its deliberately so confusing that you would have to be Einstein to know what it says, and if you do understand it, you would see that many things are conflicting with eachother.

Having read it a little while ago, I have to agree. It's quite a long, confusing read. (If anyone asks, yes, I'm interested in this subject greatly; seriously considering moving to Europe within five years.)