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Okay, before I get into this, I would appreciate everyone leaving Religion (at least the aspect of a single all-knowing, all-seeing creative godlike entity) out of the discussion. I would ask (for the purpose of touching on science and unknown phenomenon) that we (for the moment) conclude that God doesn't exist, and that the Bible (or any other book of Religion) is merely one of fiction.

Now, throughout history, there are stories, pictures (be those drawings or cave sculptures), tales and theorizes as to a whole bunch of unexplained phenomenon right back as far as we have any records for.

Last night, I watched The Fourth Kind; the apparent alien abduction film starring Milla Jovovich. The film covered both a re-enactment of alleged events along with supposed recordings that were taken at the specified date, though how genuine these recordings are I am not so sure.

Regardless of the film plot, and the abductions themselves, one thing that did interest me was a specific point in the film where two of the psychologists called in an ancient language expert to translate some voice recordings that were suppose to have been spoken by the visitors. The language is later identified as Sumerian (that's a culture that lived around 4,000,000 BC).

One of the key factors with this little discussion of theirs indicated (to me at least) that these aliens would have been involved some way with the Sumerian culture some 4-million years prior to the events of the abductions.

There were mention too of cave-sculptures that appeared to show both rocket ships and space men wearing odd looking suits and helmets. If you've not yet figured out what I'm getting at here, it is this: Even though discussed many times before, is it possible (or apparent) that we haven't evolved all on our lonesome, and some other culture has influenced our advancements?

I know there are probably two very strong arguments here, but for a culture some 4-million years ago to be creating art featuring what appears to be space ships and aliens... I can't leave that simply at them being creative and using their imagination, especially when some of the drawings resemble what people of today claim to have seen in the sky.

Touching on sightings of today, I can't remember the exact figure, but there were countless (I'm talking in the millions) of reports over the last 100 years from people who claimed to have seen a UFO. Granted UFO doesn't necessarily mean it has to be the White Star from the Minbari Home World, it could be anything from a Weather Balloon to a flock of birds.

If there is a sighting, or a crash, the local governments are usually always putting it down to something else, that being said, there are reports by some people (former military, scientists and civilians alike) that claim to have knowledge of alien captivity and crashed space ships.

There was a documentary (I forget the name of it now) which covered government cover-ups, at least, best they could. They spoke with former scientists and military persons who had previously shared specific details about something they probably shouldn't have, though all details provided were debunked and it was claimed said scientists and military persons would never have had clearance to what they claimed they'd seen, or to areas (or bases) that they'd visited ~ though some proof was found that went against official statements.

It would seem logical to believe that any respective government (or a special agency) would cover up any knowledge of anything from another world. Why scare the public unnecessarily?

I know I've covered extra-terrestrial life quite a bit here, that wasn't quite my initial intention (as highlighted by the subject in question) though I feel as I've written quite a bit now, so shall conclude and continue another time.

For this specific section though;

- If anyone has seen the Fourth Kind, what did you think of it? - If you believe in life (aliens) do you think they've visited here and influenced our culture, way of life, and understanding of the universe? - If you believe in life (aliens) do you think there are facilities globally (of which has information, craft and corpses) which are kept hidden from public view?

And then to continue, feel free to discuss anything else that has yet to be explained by science (or common sense). Lets try to keep this supernatural / paranormal based though. Asking why the Sky is Blue ain't quite what I am aiming for with the topic at hand. :)




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#2 6 years ago
The language is later identified as Sumerian (that's a culture that lived around 4,000,000 BC).

Humans haven't been around for 4,000,000 years. Just clearing that up.

WikipediaThe history of written Sumerian can be divided into several periods:

Archaic Sumerian — 31st–26th c. BC, (~3000 BC) Old or Classical Sumerian — 26th–23rd c. BC, Neo-Sumerian — 23rd–21st c. BC, Late Sumerian — 20th–18th c. BC, Post-Sumerian — after 1700 BC.

But on the topic, yes I believe there is / has been / will be life in the universe other than us, based on the comparatively huge numbers involved in terms of size of the universe, and our current understanding of various forms of biogenesis.

We have existed as humans for a mere ~100,000 years. The universe has persisted for 13,700,000,000 years. Our observable universe is 46,000,000,000 light years across. A light year is 95000000000000000 meters. In this there are like more than 100000000000 galaxies, each with between 10000000 to 1000000000000 stars. Best estimates but the number of stars in our observable universe at 300000000000000000000000.




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Showd0wN;5601030Humans haven't been around for 4,000,000 years. Just clearing that up.[/QUOTE]
wikipediaSumerian ( EME.ĜIR15 "native tongue") is the language of ancient Sumer, which was spoken in southern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) since at least the 4th millennium BC.

I misread.

[QUOTE=Showd0wN;5601030]We have existed as humans for a mere ~100,000 years. The universe has persisted for 13,700,000,000 years. Our observable universe is 46,000,000,000 light years across. A light year is 95000000000000000 meters. In this there are like more than 100000000000 galaxies, each with between 10000000 to 1000000000000 stars. Best estimates but the number of stars in our observable universe at 300000000000000000000000.

That's quite something, huh?




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Alakazam;5601022Now, throughout history, there are stories, pictures (be those drawings or cave sculptures), tales and theorizes as to a whole bunch of unexplained phenomenon right back as far as we have any records for.

Last night, I watched The Fourth Kind; the apparent alien abduction film starring Milla Jovovich. The film covered both a re-enactment of alleged events along with supposed recordings that were taken at the specified date, though how genuine these recordings are I am not so sure.

Regardless of the film plot, and the abductions themselves, one thing that did interest me was a specific point in the film where two of the psychologists called in an ancient language expert to translate some voice recordings that were suppose to have been spoken by the visitors. The language is later identified as Sumerian (that's a culture that lived around 4,000,000 BC).

One of the key factors with this little discussion of theirs indicated (to me at least) that these aliens would have been involved some way with the Sumerian culture some 4-million years prior to the events of the abductions.

The Fourth Kind is a 2009 American mockumentary science fiction-thriller
A mockumentary (a portmanteau of the words mock and documentary), is a type of film or television show in which fictitious events are presented in documentary format.

-shrug-

More generally however:

Ancient astronauts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it's fairly easy to explain those sorts of things in terms of less extraordinary theories than, 'aliens did it/were seen.' Pictures of people with circles around their heads is hardly compelling. It's as likely to be a crown, or some statement to the effect that the sun (god) stands behind our rulers - in cultures that venerated the sun/seasons.

As for flight - which of us hasn't dreamed of flying at some point or another? It's a short leap from there to writing stories about flight. I find it hard to believe that humans are so bad at generating ideas that they wouldn't stick all that together on their own.

Scratchy lines that resemble chemicals? Hell, I've done that myself by accident. There are so many chemicals that if you scratch almost any short, regular shape down, and go searching, you're going to find one that sort of looks the same.

You see, exactly what you'd expect to see if non-extraordinary causes were responsible.

And then there are all the failed bits. The bits that you'd expect to see if extraordinary causes were responsible but which aren't there. Societies that had an advanced understanding of molecular chemistry would have got to gunpowder and decent metallurgy thousands of years before anyone else. But they didn't. Societies that were taught maths by aliens would not have mathematical systems that were so clumsy....

On the other hand, show me an ancient society that had the first few hundred digits of pi, (which you need fairly advanced maths to get to,) and I'll concede that some more advanced creature than themselves gave it to them.

Though - really - I'd expect it to be 2pi; never really got why we use the radius diameter. Seems to make things more difficult than they need to be.




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#5 6 years ago
Though - really - I'd expect it to be 2pi; never really got why we use the radius. Seems to make things more difficult than they need to be.

Sounds like you're reciting the tau manifesto; though you've got it wrong.

We use the diameter ( pi x Diameter = circumference ). Tau is the one that references the radius.

We use pi (and not tau) because that's how it happened developmentally.

Also continued fractions are a simple way of calculating pi. I would look for something like the Euler Identity occurring.




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#6 6 years ago

So it is. Weird, don't know why I got that. Pi r squared maybe. Bit duh in any case. @_@




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Alakazam;5601022 Last night, I watched The Fourth Kind; the apparent alien abduction film starring Milla Jovovich. The film covered both a re-enactment of alleged events along with supposed recordings that were taken at the specified date, though how genuine these recordings are I am not so sure.

Regardless of the film plot, and the abductions themselves, one thing that did interest me was a specific point in the film where two of the psychologists called in an ancient language expert to translate some voice recordings that were suppose to have been spoken by the visitors. The language is later identified as Sumerian (that's a culture that lived around 4,000,000 BC).

One of the key factors with this little discussion of theirs indicated (to me at least) that these aliens would have been involved some way with the Sumerian culture some 4-million years prior to the events of the abductions.

There were mention too of cave-sculptures that appeared to show both rocket ships and space men wearing odd looking suits and helmets. If you've not yet figured out what I'm getting at here, it is this: Even though discussed many times before, is it possible (or apparent) that we haven't evolved all on our lonesome, and some other culture has influenced our advancements?

I know there are probably two very strong arguments here, but for a culture some 4-million years ago to be creating art featuring what appears to be space ships and aliens... I can't leave that simply at them being creative and using their imagination, especially when some of the drawings resemble what people of today claim to have seen in the sky.

Touching on sightings of today, I can't remember the exact figure, but there were countless (I'm talking in the millions) of reports over the last 100 years from people who claimed to have seen a UFO. Granted UFO doesn't necessarily mean it has to be the White Star from the Minbari Home World, it could be anything from a Weather Balloon to a flock of birds.

If there is a sighting, or a crash, the local governments are usually always putting it down to something else, that being said, there are reports by some people (former military, scientists and civilians alike) that claim to have knowledge of alien captivity and crashed space ships.

There was a documentary (I forget the name of it now) which covered government cover-ups, at least, best they could. They spoke with former scientists and military persons who had previously shared specific details about something they probably shouldn't have, though all details provided were debunked and it was claimed said scientists and military persons would never have had clearance to what they claimed they'd seen, or to areas (or bases) that they'd visited ~ though some proof was found that went against official statements.

It would seem logical to believe that any respective government (or a special agency) would cover up any knowledge of anything from another world. Why scare the public unnecessarily?

I know I've covered extra-terrestrial life quite a bit here, that wasn't quite my initial intention (as highlighted by the subject in question) though I feel as I've written quite a bit now, so shall conclude and continue another time.

For this specific section though;

- If anyone has seen the Fourth Kind, what did you think of it? - If you believe in life (aliens) do you think they've visited here and influenced our culture, way of life, and understanding of the universe? - If you believe in life (aliens) do you think there are facilities globally (of which has information, craft and corpses) which are kept hidden from public view?

And then to continue, feel free to discuss anything else that has yet to be explained by science (or common sense). Lets try to keep this supernatural / paranormal based though. Asking why the Sky is Blue ain't quite what I am aiming for with the topic at hand. :)

- If anyone has seen the Fourth Kind, what did you think of it?

I saw the Fourth Kind and even though I love those kinds of movies (Loved "Signs"), I cringed and groaned at this movie. I did like the movie as a fictional movie. Milla Jovovich is very easy on the eyes too (Man that woman is sexy)

But it pissed me off the way the movie was done.

Nothing in the movie was real. All of it was faked. The interviews, the supposed real video footage, the witnesses, all of it was fake.

Of all the stories and interviews and documented real incidents why the hell did they make a fictional movie and go to such lengths to pass it off as real?

Could this movie have possibly done any more to damage the credibility of people trying to do legitimate research or drag paranormal research in general through the mud.

Someone who deliberately tried to discredit people doing paranormal research could NOT have done any more damage than this movie.

There have been many cases of alleged Xenoglossy but none have withstood the rigors of Scientific investigation and cases that looked interesting were written off because the person at some point in there life had exposure to the language.

The Sumerians were the first civilization that I am aware of that made reference to cases of Demonic Possession.

Betty and Barney Hill's abduction is probably one of the most known and documented cases of Alien Abduction.

- If you believe in life (aliens) do you think they've visited here and influenced our culture, way of life, and understanding of the universe?

Sumerian mythology believes that the Annunaki created man and gave him civilization and taught him the skills of civilization.

Some Indian tribes, the Hopi Indians in particular, have a creation myth that describe them coming out of the ground to live on the Earth, this being the fourth earth. The people living underground were helped by the snake people and the ant people. After the people came out to live on the land the ant people and snake people left and promised to return.

I read alot on UFO's and Aliens but remain undecided.

I do believe civilization is much older than we believe. I do believe Atlantis existed and that it was in the Atlantic and that it was destroyed by a natural disaster, possibly a asteroid impact.

I am also intrigued by some of the descriptions of weapons and flying craft described in Hindu texts such as "The Mahabharata" and "The Ramanyana" about flying machines such as the Vimana's (Which are described apart of references to the kings horse drawn chariot)

There are passages which some have attributed to being a description of a nuclear detonation.

When Robert Oppenheimer was asked at a College lecture if Alamogordo was the first detonation of a atomic bomb Oppenheimer was reported to have said "Yes, in modern times".

“Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana, hurled a single projectile charged with the power of the Universe.

An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose with all its splendour.

It was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable.

Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

…After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected… …to escape from this fire the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”

From another passage:

“Dense arrows of flame, like a great shower, issued forth upon creation, encompassing the enemy. A thick gloom swiftly settled upon the Pandava hosts. All points of the compass were lost in darkness. Fierce wind began to blow Clouds roared upward, showering dust and gravel.

Birds croaked madly… the very elements seemed disturbed. The sun seemed to waver in the heavens The earth shook, scorched by the terrible violent heat of this weapon.

Elephants burst into flame and ran to and fro in a frenzy… over a vast area, other animals crumpled to the ground and died. From all points of the compass the arrows of flame rained continuously and fiercely.” — The Mahabharata

From the Ramayana:

”(It was a weapon) so powerful that it could destroy the earth in an instant– A great soaring sound in smoke and flames– And on it sits death…” . — The Ramayana

Oddly enough the area described is supposedly west of the city of Jodhpur where there is a high level of background radiation and a above normal rate of birth defects. Coincidence? Could be.

I believe without a doubt that UFO's are real. Who or what controls them I do not know.

Take the Stephenville UFO sighting as an example. Several people saw something unusual enough that it caught their attention and they reported it.

The witnesses stories collaborated and supported each other with details such as direction of travel, the time, the color, etc. The USAF dismissed it as Air Force Reserve F-16's in the area for training.

MUFON filed a FOIA for any FAA RADAR tracking data and transcripts. This is their report. I direct your attention to page 47: Conclusion.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxhZXJpYWxwaGVub21lbmF8Z3g6NWEyNWZhNjZiODFmZWFlNA

I have heard stories about Area 51, Area S4, Skinwalker Ranch, Dulce New Mexico, etc. I would love to some day visit these places just to look around with my own eyes.




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west of the city of Jodhpur where there is a high level of background radiation and a above normal rate of birth defects.

Citation needed.




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Alakazam;5601022The language is later identified as Sumerian (that's a culture that lived around 4,000,000 BC).
Showd0wN;5601030Humans haven't been around for 4,000,000 years. Just clearing that up.
WikipediaSumerian (���� EME.ĜIR15 "native tongue") is the language of ancient Sumer, which was spoken in southern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) since at least the 4th millennium BC.

Alakazam;5601033I misread.[/QUOTE][/quote][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Getting back on this for a minute (I was in a bit of a rush when I last replied to the subject), but for people to be talking in a 4000 year old language, of which isn't known to the vast majority. One has to question the theory of alien-aid in our past.

Just look at the pyramids, be them Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan ect. I know the theory of pyramids has been discussed to death before, and I've never seen any of them in person (only on films and pictures) but they're suppose to be a remarkable feat of construction, and some (especially the Egyptians) are built perfectly in line with specific stars. Would we really have had the knowledge for all of that back then?

Then they're is the building of said pyramids; slave labour yes, but even with a whole society of slaves, such a structure would have taken years.

Nemmerle;5601059-shrug-[/quote]:Puzzled:

Nemmerle;5601059I think it's fairly easy to explain those sorts of things in terms of less extraordinary theories than, 'aliens did it/were seen.' Pictures of people with circles around their heads is hardly compelling. It's as likely to be a crown, or some statement to the effect that the sun (god) stands behind our rulers - in cultures that venerated the sun/seasons.[/quote]It's possible yeah, but it can't be confirmed.

Nemmerle;5601059As for flight - which of us hasn't dreamed of flying at some point or another? It's a short leap from there to writing stories about flight. I find it hard to believe that humans are so bad at generating ideas that they wouldn't stick all that together on their own.[/quote]Whilst a true comment, it is more than likely if we / they were drawing things of flight, then they'd have been more likely to draw things with wings that resembled birds opposed to rockets and saucer shaped objects.

Nemmerle;5601059And then there are all the failed bits. The bits that you'd expect to see if extraordinary causes were responsible but which aren't there. Societies that had an advanced understanding of molecular chemistry would have got to gunpowder and decent metallurgy thousands of years before anyone else. But they didn't. Societies that were taught maths by aliens would not have mathematical systems that were so clumsy....

You'll have to humour me here, but wouldn't it be fair (or at least possible) to say that such teachings would have dissolved over time?

Lets say (theoretically) that some highly intelligent species from Vulcan came by Earth some 4000 years ago and taught us mathematics. Take into account that the average person wasn't living half as long back then, if those aliens left (some galactic war they had to attend too, some political issue on their home planet... maybe they just had to get home in time for dinner) but they'd have left us with something new that, with all respect, we probably weren't ready for, thus, those that were taught it would have used it, but at the point in which they died (or a few generations following) the equations and logic behind the math would have gone. It's only lately that we've picked it all up again.

[QUOTE=Showd0wN;5601074]Sounds like you're reciting the tau manifesto; though you've got it wrong.

Tau is the one that references the radius.

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[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]Nothing in the movie was real. All of it was faked. The interviews, the supposed real video footage, the witnesses, all of it was fake.

If this is true, and the whole thing was fabricated, then I didn't know that. I would respectfully ask why (and where) the proof of your statement is though. Everyone I've spoken to about this film truly believes that the video footage played was actually of real recordings, if you're stating we've all been conned, I'd like to know where I can share that.

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]The Sumerians were the first civilization that I am aware of that made reference to cases of Demonic Possession.

Demons and Aliens ~ all this time people thought they were fallen angels or damned souls, what if they're just extra terrestrials with a sense of humour?

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]I do believe civilization is much older than we believe. I do believe Atlantis existed and that it was in the Atlantic and that it was destroyed by a natural disaster, possibly a asteroid impact.

I hate to break it to you, but Atlantis isn't in the Atlantic. It's currently over in the Pegasus Galaxy. :nodding:

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]Oddly enough the area described is supposedly west of the city of Jodhpur where there is a high level of background radiation and a above normal rate of birth defects. Coincidence? Could be.

Some funny coincidence.

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]I believe without a doubt that UFO's are real. Who or what controls them I do not know.

Well, if we're to believe all the crashes that have allegedly happened over the years, I'd be tempted to believe these saucers (or whatever) to be unmanned, much like our military drones of today.

Firstly (from a control point of view) if you're controlling something via a radio signal or whatever, there is cause for interference. In addition to that, a drone would be the ideal way to have a look around without actually endangering anyone (or anything).

And I personally have a hard time believing that any advance, alien culture would travel to other planets in saucer shaped space craft. I just don't see it. You'd think they'd have better looking ships that a simple saucer with no windows or anything. :uhm: It's more logical to assume that these saucer sightings are mere drones, if anything.

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5601235]I have heard stories about Area 51, Area S4, Skinwalker Ranch, Dulce New Mexico, etc. I would love to some day visit these places just to look around with my own eyes.

I really doubt you'd get close enough.

There was documentary about this I watched some years back now, it was more focused on UFO's and government cover-ups than it was specifically aliens. Needless to say, they went to Area 51 (at least, to the perimeter of it) where they were subsequently met by a military group who asked them to move on. They followed them until they'd driven a fair distance from the alleged base.

What I do / did find funny about Area 51 ~ at one point, didn't one of the US Presidents (I think Bush maybe) outright state that Area 51 doesn't exist, and there is nothing but sand in it's alleged location? Yet Google images can give that little secret up straight away.




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Alakazam;5601635Getting back on this for a minute (I was in a bit of a rush when I last replied to the subject), but for people to be talking in a 4000 year old language, of which isn't known to the vast majority. One has to question the theory of alien-aid in our past.

Speaking a 4,000 year old language is of itself not proof of Aliens, a WTF moment yes, but not proof of Aliens.

Just look at the pyramids, be them Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan ect. I know the theory of pyramids has been discussed to death before, and I've never seen any of them in person (only on films and pictures) but they're suppose to be a remarkable feat of construction, and some (especially the Egyptians) are built perfectly in line with specific stars. Would we really have had the knowledge for all of that back then?

There is evidence to support that the Egyptians were highly advanced in Mathematics for the day, much further than anyone thought possible.

Heavenly alignments is not all that uncommon in ancient structures

Then they're is the building of said pyramids; slave labour yes, but even with a whole society of slaves, such a structure would have taken years.

From what I have read the work force was mostly free persons living in a work camp city very near the Pyramid. IIRC the camp is thought to have housed about 40,000 people or more and they ate lots of ginger beer and fresh baked bread. They have even found the beer recipe . The work on the Pyramid was more of a religious duty to your God King than slavery.

Yes it did take years. The Cathedral Of Notre Dame is much smaller than the Pyramids and had access to as far as we know more advanced building techniques and from ground breaking to completion took 135 years to build.

Whilst a true comment, it is more than likely if we / they were drawing things of flight, then they'd have been more likely to draw things with wings that resembled birds opposed to rockets and saucer shaped objects.

Ever heard of the Saqqara bird?

Ancient Egyptian Planes - YouTube

An ancient painting from 1350 has some odd irregularities. This painting is supposed to be from 1350 and shows Jesus Christ's crucifixion and is supposed to be on display in Kosovo, Yugoslavia.

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You'll have to humour me here, but wouldn't it be fair (or at least possible) to say that such teachings would have dissolved over time?

Lets say (theoretically) that some highly intelligent species from Vulcan came by Earth some 4000 years ago and taught us mathematics. Take into account that the average person wasn't living half as long back then, if those aliens left (some galactic war they had to attend too, some political issue on their home planet... maybe they just had to get home in time for dinner) but they'd have left us with something new that, with all respect, we probably weren't ready for, thus, those that were taught it would have used it, but at the point in which they died (or a few generations following) the equations and logic behind the math would have gone. It's only lately that we've picked it all up again.

I know many here dont accept the translations of Zechariah Sitchin but lets suppose for a moment he was right.

According to Sitchin's translations the Annunaki came here from their homeworld Nibiru to mine minerals needed for their home, primarily gold and asphalts. The Annunaki's own workers revolted over the working conditions so the Annunaki created a genetically modified work force to do the heavy manual labor. Much as we on Earth have launch windows to minimize space travel to Mars, the Annunaki were said to have a mission window, they had a set amount of time before they had to leave.

According again to Sitchin's translations the Annunaki grew enamored with their creations as a parent loves their children and taught them advanced concepts such as Mathematics and advanced agriculture techniques. Some even mated with Earth women.

This is just a hypothesis based on Sitchins translations. There are some that say Sitchin could not translate Sumerian if his life depended on it and there are some that say Sitchin did know Sumerian very well.

Sitchin said his translations were literal translations, what the Sumerians actually wrote down, not what Modern experts and scholars say is the accepted meaning.

If this is true, and the whole thing was fabricated, then I didn't know that. I would respectfully ask why (and where) the proof of your statement is though. Everyone I've spoken to about this film truly believes that the video footage played was actually of real recordings, if you're stating we've all been conned, I'd like to know where I can share that.

Nome Alaska is not set in the woods as seen in the movie, its sits on a barren arctic snow covered plateau overlooking the sea.

Nome has not had a long string of unexplained disappearances, the FBI has investigated and found alcohol and the very harsh climate played a large part in disappearances.

The "real" Doctor Abigail Tyler seen in the "real" video clips was played by a British actress named Charlotte Milchard.

The guy who undergoes hynotic regression about being abducted by Aliens and freaks out later and kills his family and himself was played by actor Corey Johnson.

The ability of the person to speak Sumerian in the movie is IIRC called Xenoglossy. There are no Scientifically documented cases of Xenoglossy.

The scenes were real video footage. Just shot by the production crew.

Demons and Aliens ~ all this time people thought they were fallen angels or damned souls, what if they're just extra terrestrials with a sense of humour?

According to the translations of Sumerian by Sitchin and according to the Book of Enoch the Fallen Angels "Those whom from heaven came to earth" are the Annunaki who came to earth, lived among man, educated him, and mated with Earth women. The children of the Annunaki and human women are the Giants called the Nephilim.

The Giants mentioned in the land of Canaan and the warrior Goliath slain by David, both mentioned in the Christian Bible, were thought to be Nephilim.

According to the King James version of the Bible, Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men of old, men of renown.
I hate to break it to you, but Atlantis isn't in the Atlantic. It's currently over in the Pegasus Galaxy. :nodding:

I hate to break it to you but Atlantis isnt in the Pegasus Galaxy. Had you watched the Stargate Atlantis series finale Atlantis is sitting in the Pacific Ocean off San Fransisco just past the Golden Gate Bridge.

Some funny coincidence.

I know Showdown will have a field day with this one :rolleyes:. Seems there is radiation and radioactive ash in the area west of Jodhpur . But its from a more terrestrial source. A nuclear reactor in the area used wood scaffolding during construction and testing. The wood was supposed to be stored as contaminated material. Instead local contractors sold the wood to locals who burned it for warmth and cooking fires, thus the birth defects and the radioactive ash.

Well, if we're to believe all the crashes that have allegedly happened over the years, I'd be tempted to believe these saucers (or whatever) to be unmanned, much like our military drones of today.

Quite possible.

Another possibility is that if you are traveling between dimensions then that removes need for star drives and extensive supplies to last years.

Firstly (from a control point of view) if you're controlling something via a radio signal or whatever, there is cause for interference. In addition to that, a drone would be the ideal way to have a look around without actually endangering anyone (or anything).

This has been suggested and is one of the ongoing hypothesis. The night before rancher Mac Brazel found what many believe to be a UFO there was a very strong thunderstorm. Brazel was out checking for downed fences and property damage when he came upon the wreckage.

And I personally have a hard time believing that any advance, alien culture would travel to other planets in saucer shaped space craft. I just don't see it. You'd think they'd have better looking ships that a simple saucer with no windows or anything. :uhm: It's more logical to assume that these saucer sightings are mere drones, if anything.

Saucers are just one of the shapes. Cigar shaped and triangles are more frequently reported.

In 1947 amateur pilot Kenneth Arnold saw a formation of aircraft that flew as he described it "A saucer skipping across the water". A newsman reported Arnold had seen a flying saucer. Arnold never said it was saucer shaped.

The aircraft Arnold reported seeing was this: KennethArnoldUFO1.jpg

I really doubt you'd get close enough.

I love how Area 51's very existence was denied and suddenly on cover of Poluar Mechanics was a Russian satellite photo of Area 51. You can still see it but you have to spend all day climbing a mother of a trail to the top of Tikaboo Peak to see anything and then its some 20 miles away. With telephoto lenses and electro optical devices you can see things pretty well.

What I am intrigued about lately is Skinwalker Ranch. The area has a long history of alleged paranormal activity.

In 1996 the ranch was bought by Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace and The National Institute For Discovery Science moved in to try and research, document, and identify these alleged paranormal activities. Nothing seems to have come of it and NIDSCI apparently ceased operations in 2004. But there seems to still be a manned presence at the ranch who seem to be good at detecting and running off any trespassers.

I am not saying I believe all the stories associated with the place but it does arouse my curiosity enough to cause me to want to go look around.

I would like to go to Area 51, climb Tikaboo peak, see the base with my own eyes, walk up to the signs saying no tresspassing, go to the Little Ale Inn, go to the black mailbox.

There was documentary about this I watched some years back now, it was more focused on UFO's and government cover-ups than it was specifically aliens. Needless to say, they went to Area 51 (at least, to the perimeter of it) where they were subsequently met by a military group who asked them to move on. They followed them until they'd driven a fair distance from the alleged base.

The infamous "camo dudes"

None of the major UFO researchers believe UFO's are interstellar craft. They believe that these vehicles, whoever operates them, are operating from Earth.

What I do / did find funny about Area 51 ~ at one point, didn't one of the US Presidents (I think Bush maybe) outright state that Area 51 doesn't exist, and there is nothing but sand in it's alleged location? Yet Google images can give that little secret up straight away.

From former President Clinton on Area 51. Scroll down about 3/4 of way to Thursday, January 06, 2005

I liked National Treasure very much. Nicolas Cage is one of my favorite actors. Jerry Bruckheimer, the producer made a very entertaining and interesting movie. I'm a conspiracy buff. I like reading books about secret societies and cloak and dagger stories. I was on the inside of government, so I know there is more out there than meets the eye.

You know, when I was elected, but before I was inaugurated, someone, a total stranger, whom I met on the street asked me to look into Area 51 and Aliens in Roswell, New Mexico. I laughed, but decided to buy a book about the subject. It was very interesting. I asked my good friend Webster Hubbell to investigate the matter.

When Hillary talked about the fast right wing conspiracy, she was mocked. Maybe the conspiracy wasn't a right wing one, but something else.

I never did get a clear answer about Area 51 from the ones with the security clearance. And I was the president.

More than that you know what happened to me during my second term. And you know what happened to Hubble. He died.

Sometimes you shouldn't ask questions why, you just have to accept reality.

IIRC the official response has always been we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the base.

I dont remember any US President saying Area 51 existed but they might have. Its common knowledge it exists now. We just dont now what goes on there.

What we do know is that every President has signed a executive order exempting the base from pretty much everything and anything.

IIRC it was Clinton who signed the land order bill allowing the Federal Government to seize Whitesides Ridge and Freedom Ridge which were just a few miles away and allowed a good view of the base at Area 51. Now both areas are behind the no trespassing sign with the authorization of deadly force authorized noted on the bottom.

Area 51 started life in 1941 as Indian Springs Auxiliary air base. During WW2 it was used for bombing and artillery training. I have read it was also used as a B-25 pilot training base. It was considered ideal for its remote location and its pristine long flat hard dry lake bed. Its remoteness contributed to its being shut down shortly after WW2 ended.

When Lockheed was looking for a remote location to test fly the top secret U-2, the Groom Dry Lake location came up. Kelly Johnson of Lockheed went and looked and thought it was perfect. To maintain secrecy the area was referred to by its map grid on IIRC a US Geology Services survey map. It was Area 51. The Base is also sometimes called Groom Dry Lake due to the dry lake bed right next to the base.

There are stories of expansive underground facilitites under Area 51 but no one knows. There used to be a Groome Dry Lake Mine and Mining Company that mined lead in the area off and on from about 1868 to 1950's.