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RadioactiveLobster Forum Admin

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#1 13 years ago

I found this article today, there are some interesting facts about the responce to Katrina in it, facts that will prove what the media is saying is FALSE and a lie. The article is by Jack Kelly, he is the national security writer for the Post-Gacette and The Blade of Toledo (I paraphrased this) FACT #1: The federal responce to Katrina, was NOT late or too long. The responce to Katrina, took LESS TIME than the responce for Hurricane(s) Andrew, Hugo, Iniki, Francine and Jeanne, yet you do not hear about the "slow" responce time to those hurricanes FACT #2: It took FIVE days for national guard troops to arrive in force in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew, but for Katrina, it only took three. FACT #3: The hurricane hit on Monday, the tuesday papers read "New Orleans Spared", "New Orleans dodges the bullet". It wasn't until later on Tuesday that the levees broke, people started heading for the Superdome. The buses from Huston to transport those people, started to arrive on Wed. Seems pretty fast for having to drive from Huston to New Orleans, over debris covered roads. FACT #4: People state that the supplies didnt get there fast enough. Well, those supplies had to go through an area the size of England, that had NO power, NO open airports, NO open ports, bridges were damaged, roads where covered with debris, telecommunications are out, not to mention, the hurricane (now a tropical storm) was still moving inland through Arkansas, northern Mississippi, and other states aid would come from. FACT #5:Within a week of the levee breaking, more than 32,000 people had been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by helicopters. The Army corp of engineers had repaired the breaches, and started to pump water out. Shelter, food, and medical care had been provided to 180,000 evacuees. You say, a WEEK, thats too long. Well, a former Air Force logistics officer (name unknown, it didnt say) said this... "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. The United States Military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britian which has no power, no working ports or airports, and the devastated and impassable road network. You cannont speed recovery and relift efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region. No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above." A national guardsman (Jason van Steenwyk) from Fla said, "You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere. Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; reciece orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy Ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately. Relief efforst must be planned. Other that prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricae has stuck and damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks. And federal troops and guradsmen from other states cannot be send to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the fovernors of the afflicted states. " Well, there you have it.....questions, comments?


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#2 13 years ago

Stuff like that will happen if you need to mobilize the defence forces in a countre that's over 3000 kilometres large.




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#3 13 years ago

yes, things arnt instant.....its just the mainly liberal bias main stream media isnt reporting that


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#4 13 years ago

Dont forget some of the conspiracy theroies....

(1) Hurricane Katina (and by extention, God) is raciest for damaging more black areas than white areas

(2) The Army Corps of Engineers planted demolition charges on the levy to make it blow and flood the black neighborhoods

No joke I actually heard both of those things.




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#5 13 years ago

I have two questions: 1) Are there any believable numbers on how many people were killed? I just didn't find anything but "it is feared that thousands may have died".

2) If Bush admits that the reaction wasn't as good as it could have been why are you trying to prove the contrary? I'm not trying to say that it was his fault (a pretty stupid notion if you ask me), but I guess he knows a bit more about what could have been done than we do.

edit: And as NiteStryker seems to like them, here is another conspiracy: Bush didn't sign the Kyoto protocol because he and his new world order-friends wanted a change of climate which increases the effect of tropical storms so that he has a distraction from the actual problems with the Iraq-campaign which was supposed to distract from internal problems of the US.




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MrFancypants Bush didn't sign the Kyoto protocol because he and his new world order-friends wanted a change of climate which increases the effect of tropical storms so that he has a distraction from the actual problems with the Iraq-campaign which was supposed to distract from internal problems of the US.

:rofl:

Thats such a stretch. Almost like saying "Bush kept spraying hairspray to destroy the ozone and bring about a climate change and thus reverse the atlantic currents to bring any hurricanes into the Gulf where they would reach catagory 4 strength and then make landfall and destroy black neighborhoods."




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#7 13 years ago

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.FACT #1: The federal responce to Katrina, was NOT late or too long. The responce to Katrina, took LESS TIME than the responce for Hurricane(s) Andrew, Hugo, Iniki, Francine and Jeanne, yet you do not hear about the "slow" responce time to those hurricanes[/QUOTE] When people are dieing because they do not get food or water, it's damn obvious to me, that it was too late AND too long.

[QUOTE=S.T.A.L.K.E.R.]FACT #2: It took FIVE days for national guard troops to arrive in force in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew, but for Katrina, it only took three.

That's three days of rampaging gangs and scum, killing, raping and looting. Three days too many.




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#8 13 years ago

so what im getting from that information is that no one was late... so why the blame game?




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#9 13 years ago

NiteStryker:rofl:

Thats such a stretch. Almost like saying "Bush kept spraying hairspray to destroy the ozone and bring about a climate change and thus reverse the atlantic currents to bring any hurricanes into the Gulf where they would reach catagory 4 strength and then make landfall and destroy black neighborhoods."

I think I kinda good at this. Maybe I should change my name to Moore and film some documentations about hairspray - the silent killer of Afro-Americans ;)




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#10 13 years ago

At least 35,000 people died as a result of the record heatwave that scorched Europe in August 2003, says an environmental think tank.

The Earth Policy Institute (EPI), based in Washington DC, warns that such deaths are likely to increase, as "even more extreme weather events lie ahead".

The EPI calculated the huge death toll from the eight western European countries with data available. "Since reports are not yet available for all European countries, the total heat death toll for the continent is likely to be substantially larger," it says in a statement.

France suffered the worst losses, with 14,802 people dying from causes attributable to the blistering heat. This is "more than 19 times the death toll from the SARS epidemic worldwide", notes the EPI.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4259

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The North Sea Flood of 1953 and associated storm were a major natural disaster which affected the coastlines of the United Kingdom and The Netherlands on the night of 31 January 1953 – 1 February 1953. Belgium, Denmark and France were also affected by flooding and storm damage.
A combination of a high spring tide and a severe European windstorm caused a tidal surge of the North Sea up to 3.36 m which overwhelmed sea defences and caused extensive flooding.

Officially, 1,835 people were killed in The Netherlands, mostly in the south-western province of Zeeland. 307 were killed in the United Kingdom, in the counties of Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex.

Further loss of life exceeding 230 occurred on shipping around north European coasts and in the North Sea. The ferry Princess Victoria was lost at sea in the North Channel with 132 fatalities, and many trawlers were sunk.

In the southern provinces of Zeeland, Zuid-Holland, and Noord-Brabant, flooding of islands and polders killed 1,835 people and forced the evacuation of 70,000 more. Ten thousand animals drowned, and 4,500 buildings were destroyed. Floods covered 9% of Dutch agricultural land, and sea water inundated 2,000 km² of polders. Damage was estimated at 895 million Dutch Guilders, an enormous amount of money at the time.

In 1953 there were no radio stations broadcasts at nighttime, also many small weather stations were unmanned at nighttime, therefore many people did not receive a warning and were surprised by the flood. From the first hours the radio amateurs with their home made radio equipment went to the distressed areas to form, within a few hours, a voluntarily emergency radio network. All public communication networks such as telephone and telegraph were out of order. In the first days they were the only group who were able to contact and inform the outside world about the catastrophe in the isolated distressed areas. The radio amateurs did their work for 10 days and nights 24 hours a day and the way they were organized to provide the radio communication.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/North-Sea-Flood-of-1953

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