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#1 2 years ago

An attempted terror attack has taken place in Australia after a man reportedly drove a car filled with gas cylinders into the underground car park of a police station.

Police and firefighters are currently on the scene outside the police station in Merrylands near Sydney. The suspected attacker was arrested inside the car park after reportedly setting himself on fire.

ISIS have now apparently claimed responsibility for the attempted attack, after making several threats to the police department in recent months.

This is seemingly a similar type of attack to that witnessed in France. :/ Thankfully this attack failed, and didn't result in any deaths.

Are ISIS seemingly increasing the number of attacks now?


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#2 2 years ago

There was a (small) attack in Germany as well. A refugee attacked people in a train with an axe. Some people were injured, the terrorist was later killed. IS claimed responsibility.

I expected this sort of thing to happen, but not so soon.




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#3 2 years ago

Responsibility is a bit of a stretch. This is terrorism as a franchise.




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#4 2 years ago

True. Very strange that this works so well. You'd think convincing people per youtube video to kill themselves would be more difficult.




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Suicide is the leading cause of death in men under 45. It's not hard to convince people to do what they want to do anyway.

Heck, IIRC (don't have the book immediately to hand), the mere appearance of a thing in the media, whether or not anyone's exposed to an active source of influence beyond that, makes the thing more likely. If there are suicides in the media, the suicide rate goes up, if there are plane crashes in the media the rate of plane crashes goes up.

There's a sense in which dramatising this stuff, as our news agencies do, is potentially really stupid.




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"Nemmerle"Heck, IIRC (don't have the book immediately to hand), the mere appearance of a thing in the media, whether or not anyone's exposed to an active source of influence beyond that, makes the thing more likely. If there are suicides in the media, the suicide rate goes up, if there are plane crashes in the media the rate of plane crashes goes up.

That seems extremely pseudo-scientific. Does that mean if there are nuclear explosions in the media, the rate of nuclear attacks go up? 'cause there have been a lot of movies involving the world being destroyed, but as far as I know, it's still here :p




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Either Europeans as a whole have a short attention span or suffering from an acute sense of denial. ISIS already announced these attacks would come the moment Merkel declared open borders.  It's now just a case of attacks of opportunity.


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#8 2 years ago
"Lord Rumpuss V"Either Europeans as a whole have a short attention span or suffering from an acute sense of denial. ISIS already announced these attacks would come the moment Merkel declared open borders.  It's now just a case of attacks of opportunity.

While I'm sure the European Union has quite a bit of influence, Australia isn't quite a part of the EU yet ;)




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#9 2 years ago
"Lord Rumpuss V"Either Europeans as a whole have a short attention span or suffering from an acute sense of denial. ISIS already announced these attacks would come the moment Merkel declared open borders.  It's now just a case of attacks of opportunity.

Is it silly simplification day again? European leaders were of course aware of the risks, which is probably why a bunch of countries shut their borders down last year. There were good reasons not to do so, though.

As for ISIS - they announce a lot of scary things. That is kind of what a terror organization does. It tries to scare you into abandoning your values and policies.




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"Serio"That seems extremely pseudo-scientific. Does that mean if there are nuclear explosions in the media, the rate of nuclear attacks go up? 'cause there have been a lot of movies involving the world being destroyed, but as far as I know, it's still here :p

The section in question, I've the book to hand now, is talking about social proof. It observes that following reports of suicides the rate of suicides increases dramatically.

It only increases in those areas where the news of the suicide is published, even where similar social conditions hold for areas where it's not published - so it's not the case that people who are vulnerable to some particular stressor; e.g. poor economy, worries about crime; are killing themselves on the basis of similar input, similar function, similar output.

It also specifically increases like suicides. For instance murder suicides increase incidents of multiple casualty suicides. Loner suicides increase the incidence of loner suicides.

The work of David Philips, quoted in the book, indicates that around 58 additional deaths can be attributed to publicising of suicide stories, and goes towards explaining the increase in various 'accidents' surrounding the publicising of such stories as attributable to concealed suicides (e.g. a pilot kills himself by making an accident because he wants his family to be able to collect the insurance, or to protect his reputation.)

There are a fair number of other examples of social proof effects in the book. I'd recommend you grab a copy, Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert B. Cialdini. Whether you agree with it or not I found it a most interesting read. Section on suicide starts on s.143

My observation, coming off that, is that terrorism, in this sort of case, may function similarly. Not ISIS as a big organisation planning things, but ISIS in the media. Terrorism gets reported, and then blowing yourself up for ISIS seems like the sort of thing that a disaffected young man from that background would do - even if, bar that they also do it, ISIS had sweet FA to do with any specific plot.

It's franchise terrorism. You ride the media presence / popularity of people who look like you do.

You know, like people who make up their own take on something and then go #whatever.

"BOOOM! #ISIS"




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