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TheMirage

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#91 14 years ago

what I meant by " there are no negitives in logic"... you can't say "don't/never/can't", those aer negitives. Trust me, theres a whole corse on this stuff.

Anyway, as to the problem of the universe existing w or /wo a God, I still say read "Fabric of the Cosmos", it goes with what Ged is saying. Basicly, things don't make sense w/o a God. I'd explain further, but I have no time.




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#92 14 years ago
TheMiragewhat I meant by " there are no negitives in logic"... you can't say "don't/never/can't", those aer negitives. Trust me, theres a whole corse on this stuff. Anyway, as to the problem of the universe existing w or /wo a God, I still say read "Fabric of the Cosmos", it goes with what Ged is saying. Basicly, things don't make sense w/o a God. I'd explain further, but I have no time.

We're getting xtra deep here! This thread will go for ever if we let it. "fabric of the Cosmos' is a very interesting read. Deep but good.




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#93 14 years ago

you've read it? Bravo! I'm not alone!




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#94 14 years ago
TheMirageyou've read it? Bravo! I'm not alone!

Yes sir. I love that stuff, it reminds me that we have greater 'stuff' to consider. Being humble is pretty good somethings! :)




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#95 14 years ago

OK the matter is moving but that doesn't affect the discussion any. Energy is not affected by gravity but light is because when energy travels at the speed of light it gains mass. If matter were able to travel at the speed of light and it did then it would lose all mass. Matter can't travel at the speed of light because once you approch the speed of light momentum expodentially increases with speed expodentially decrease.




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#96 14 years ago
-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-OK the matter is moving but that doesn't affect the discussion any. Energy is not affected by gravity but light is because when energy travels at the speed of light it gains mass. [/QUOTE] Energy does not have to be converted to mass to be affected by gravity.
-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-If matter were able to travel at the speed of light and it did then it would lose all mass.
Mass increases with speed. The electrons in your TV's tube are approximately half a percent heavier than the same electrons when at rest. This is theorised to be why there is a speed limit of just under the speed of light as the faster you go the more energy is required to move the particles. [QUOTE=-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]Matter can't travel at the speed of light because once you approach the speed of light momentum exponentially increases with speed exponentially decrease.

Well I’m somewhat sceptical that there aren’t ways around this, but I don’t see the bearing this has on the argument.




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#97 14 years ago

true. I think we've presented good arguments, both sides. But I my view, the non-aetheists win out. You're free to disagree though. ;)




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#98 14 years ago

We must be looking at different sources. I have never seen anywhere that energy was effected by gravity. I got it reversed with the mass/speed of light thing, I was thinking from the veiw of an outside perspective. You look smashed from an outside perspective.




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#99 14 years ago
-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-We must be looking at different sources. I have never seen anywhere that energy was effected by gravity.[/QUOTE] Well sort of. Let me clarify something for you: Energy does not exist except as a property of matter. [QUOTE=-Logic-Is-A-Virtue-]I got it reversed with the mass/speed of light thing, I was thinking from the view of an outside perspective. You look smashed from an outside perspective.

Sorry I don’t get this bit; from an outside perspective I look smashed. Could you explain this?




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#100 14 years ago

If you were traveling the near the speed of light everything would seem normal but if someone from the outside saw you, you would look smashed, as in not as long. _________________________ Normal length at rest _ Length at near speed of light. Smashed Same thing applies vise-versa. If you were traveling near the speed of light everything else would look smashed. If you were traveling the speed of light then you would be invisible because to the outside perspective it would appear you had no mass. This is also an argument in support of time stoping when you travel the speed of light because you would pass in no time literally.