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Flash525

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#1 8 years ago

Something that came to mind earlier, when it was mentioned on the local radio about Thanksgiving and Christmas. Both traditionally celebrated with a Turkey, least if I'm not mistaken?

Anyhow, the Turkey, along with Chickens, Cows, Sheep, Pigs, Goats and a few other animals are typically defined as 'farmyard animals'. Whatever may have pre-dated them is now a simple means of cattle, either for us to acquire Milk (for drinking), Fur (for clothing), or Meat (obviously, for eating).

If one day the Human Species died from a nasty virus or something, I'm talking overnight, does anyone think these animals would evolve or adapt? They essentially rely on us at the moment, at least to a point. They're not wild. Throwing the question out there, would any of them actually change, or would Cows still be the dumb creatures that walk out in front of cars?




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#2 8 years ago

I don't think turkeys have ever been considered farm yard animal before, doesn't mean they are not cage kepted now, but to answer your question.

Many of these animals would do just fine by themselves if left unattended long enough in a large group that have both males and females, IE the Cows, pigs, sheep and goats, since they are generally too large for predators but the smaller non-free ranged chickens and turkeys are unlikely to make it very long since even domestic dogs and cats have a decent chance at catching one, let alone the owls, hawks, eagles and larger cats, But animals do adapt and to say all the chickens and turkeys would die out is unfair since evolution is amazing.




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#3 8 years ago

Alakazam;5428520Something that came to mind earlier, when it was mentioned on the local radio about Thanksgiving and Christmas. Both traditionally celebrated with a Turkey, least if I'm not mistaken?

Anyhow, the Turkey, along with Chickens, Cows, Sheep, Pigs, Goats and a few other animals are typically defined as 'farmyard animals'. Whatever may have pre-dated them is now a simple means of cattle, either for us to acquire Milk (for drinking), Fur (for clothing), or Meat (obviously, for eating).

If one day the Human Species died from a nasty virus or something, I'm talking overnight, does anyone think these animals would evolve or adapt? They essentially rely on us at the moment, at least to a point. They're not wild. Throwing the question out there, would any of them actually change, or would Cows still be the dumb creatures that walk out in front of cars?

if humans became extinct, then these animals would likely evolve. animals like chicken and cattle are as numerous as they are because they are dependent on us. if we die out, there'll be massive declines in cows. those that survive will pass on more specific genes, forming a genetically distinct animal. this is called a genetic bottleneck.




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#4 8 years ago

The general cattle? They'd just die. Even excluding the ones locked up inside a barn or something. They rely upon us for food, water and shelter. They've never learned to fend for themselves, and thus large amounts of them will just die waiting for their next feeding time, or being hunted by predators who are no longer being kept back by fences that will degrade, and the fact that humans don't go and scare them off any more.

Of the few that will survive, most will probably 'regress' to a more natural state. They'll have no use for triple milk production in comparison to a regular cow. They have no use for the massive bulk they might be engineered to grow. They have use for thick, warm coats. For efficient use of nutrients and water. Not at all what we humans value in our cattle. I suppose this could be considered a sort of evolution. But, as I said, it's more of a regression to a natural state.




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#5 8 years ago

l know one thing for sure, if all humans die tomorrow, there wont be any cattle walking out infront of any cars ! :lulz::beer:




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#6 8 years ago

Turkey's were not originally a domestic animal. They were very shrewd and hard to hunt animals and if Benjamin Franklin would have gotten his way the national bird of the USA would have been a Wild Turkey and not a Bald Eagle.

Turkey's became domesticated and raised via mass production techniques. Modern Turkeys are so stupid as to be almost brain dead. They are bread for muscle mass and nothing else.

Domestic Turkeys would die. Wild Turkey's would keep on going.

Cows are not really stupid. They are not street wise. Dogs who are not used to being outside will run in front of cars because they are not used to them while street wise dogs who have been around awhile will wait for street lights and as seen on a Youtube video some have learned to move around on the Subway system IIRC in Moscow. Pretty smart dog.




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#7 8 years ago

Alakazam;5428520Something that came to mind earlier, when it was mentioned on the local radio about Thanksgiving and Christmas. Both traditionally celebrated with a Turkey, least if I'm not mistaken?

Anyhow, the Turkey, along with Chickens, Cows, Sheep, Pigs, Goats and a few other animals are typically defined as 'farmyard animals'. Whatever may have pre-dated them is now a simple means of cattle, either for us to acquire Milk (for drinking), Fur (for clothing), or Meat (obviously, for eating).

If one day the Human Species died from a nasty virus or something, I'm talking overnight, does anyone think these animals would evolve or adapt? They essentially rely on us at the moment, at least to a point. They're not wild. Throwing the question out there, would any of them actually change, or would Cows still be the dumb creatures that walk out in front of cars?

The history channel had a show about that, forget what its called... discussing that very subject.

Most likely these domesticated animals would rejoin their wild cousins, and most would die off, but a few that survived would breed and adapt.




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#8 8 years ago

i honestly think survival rates would be higher than we give them credit for. look at australia- there's something like a million feral camels there, descended from 12 camels. camels aren't as domesticated as cattle are, but if they survive, a lot more cattle, for example would survive. also, feral chickens aren't unheard of. for an animal to become feral isn't that rare. massive numbers would likely die, yes, but some would survive. i'm relatively certain of that. also, if any of you have been to Queensland, you'll know feral turkeys are everywhere. in some places like Noosa, they're the equivalent of pigeons. these were domesticated at some point.




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#9 8 years ago

survival of the fittest, and the fittest usually come from natural selection of various mutations. Yes inevitably the animals would adapt, the question is whether they would remain as the same species.


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#10 8 years ago

Evolution is a gradual process - generally taking tens of thousands of years for even a relatively small shift on a trait distribution curve. Most animals that weren't already suitable for life away from humans would just die.




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