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#1 11 years ago

I think that we should relegalise the use of flamethrowers for the army It was banned I believe because it was inhuman, well you know what I say to those people? War aint human, nothing about it is, besides, flamethrowers are great terror causers towards foes, it could cause loss of moral of enemy troops and its very effective at its job thoughts?




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#2 11 years ago
nanobot_swarm;4003686War aint human, nothing about it is,

Pfft, war is essentially human. Humans are the only species to engage in it, we created it, and we're good at it.

besides, flamethrowers are great terror causers towards foes, it could cause loss of moral of enemy troops and its very effective at its job thoughts?

This isn't Dawn of War, if you start lighting your enemy on fire, his comrades are going to be pretty pissed. The media and rights groups would really love it, too.

Fighting terror with terror is not a good tactic, you don't end conflict that way, you just prolong it as a new generation grows up watching you light their fathers on fire.

No, it's not that effective. It looks cool to see a big jet of flame, but it wasn't designed to be effective. A flamethrower exists because, at one point in time, somebody said: "wow, I'd really like to light those people on fire... but I'm just not close enough." You want efficiency, get an assault rifle.




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#3 11 years ago

So to hell with the Geneva convention and lets get back to hot irons and fiery coals to interrogate people...

Best thing to do to explain this is, put a protective coating on your skin, and then expose yourself to the heat and power of a flamethrower. After that, you'll understand why we don't use it anymore. In modern warfare, a pyro (or proper military equivalent) isn't useful because weapons fire more bullets at farther ranges with higher accuracy and anyone flame throwing around the battlefield is a bright, flaming, target. Back in WWII or Korea, a pyro would be useful because most weapons were non-automatic, and thus you'd have better chances at getting past a rifle armed foot-soldier and getting a machine gunner from an angle they couldn't attain with their gun. Today we're dealing with urban warfare more and more and a flamer poses a hazard to everyone. Burning enemies out of a building, works, but it could spread, or fuel could be inside which would ensure a massive building-to-building fire which could hurt friendlies, offer cover to escaping enemies, or even kill the pyro.

Though pyros are fun to play in team fortress 2, people also die relatively quickly and there are no permanent scars, whereas in real life, burning takes a while, is excruciatingly painful, and survivors live scarred forever.




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#4 11 years ago
nanobot_swarm;4003686I think that we should relegalise the use of flamethrowers for the army It was banned I believe because it was inhuman, well you know what I say to those people? War aint human, nothing about it is, besides, flamethrowers are great terror causers towards foes, it could cause loss of moral of enemy troops and its very effective at its job thoughts?

Flamethrowers are best used against bunkers, pillboxes and other fortifications. They don't do a great deal against snipers, roadside bombs or suicide bombers. Can you think of any reason for introducing them other than "omg it was teh shizzle in whatever FPS I happen to have been playing"?

Besides, reintroducing it would surely create more opposition to the war, which is not exactly going to help the military at all. The last thing any government needs is more negative coverage of war.

I assume you're talking about reintroducing flamethrowers into the US military. You might like to know that the decision to stop using them was entirely voluntary. There is no signed treaty that bans their use that the US has signed.




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#5 11 years ago

IIRC we still use White Phosphorus (even in the Iraq War I think) which essentially burns through everything and is excruciatingly painful.

No, flamethrowers should not be banned. War is war.




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#6 11 years ago

White Phosphorus is rare if not gone as far as use goes, but it is far more effective than a flame thrower.

Flame throwers had their hay-day with Greek fire in their use by the Byzantines, or with the Chinese with normal fire, depends who came first, still greek fire kicks normal fire's ass, water intensifies the burning.




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#7 11 years ago

Seems a bit pointless since most of the wars we're in would just be made worse by the random application of flamethrowers.




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#8 11 years ago
elevatormusic;4003703 No, it's not that effective. It looks cool to see a big jet of flame, but it wasn't designed to be effective. A flamethrower exists because, at one point in time, somebody said: "wow, I'd really like to light those people on fire... but I'm just not close enough." You want efficiency, get an assault rifle.

Depends what you are using them for. In WWI they were one of the first weapons that could be effectively used against tanks, in WWII they were the best thing available for taking out bunkers and the like.




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#9 11 years ago

Not effective? It's perfect at taking out entrenched troops, if they dont plainly burn, their cover might actually burn down around them, if not that it might scare the shit out of the enemy forcing a hasty retreat, and if that fails they may just be unable to breathe properly, let alone fire at your own guys.




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#10 11 years ago

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