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Chocu1a

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#11 10 years ago

Rikupsoni;4953135So it's fine to slow down for a moment and then always keep overspeed elsewhere? They're called speed traps for a reason.

I would never flash my lights because I do think speeding drivers deserve their penalty.

Overspeed has a huge difference to braking distance and concentration on other road users. We've seen enough especially young drivers take not only their own life, but their friends' lives as well by speeding. And not just staying at that, sure you like nice overspeed which makes it impossible to brake in time incase of an abrupt child crossing the street. Is that cool?

Seems like that's the attitude here as well. Although I'm probably younger than most of you, I can only say grow up with your youthful flamboyance and take some responsibility. :nodding:

So, you have NEVER driven over the speed limit? NEVER? EVER? I live in an area where the police will ticket you for driving 5 miles over the speed limit. Can you legitimatly say you can tell the difference between 20 mph & 25 mph? I for one appreciate a concerned citizen giving a friendly warning to a fellow driver. Flashing headlights gives other warning types, too: turn off your high beams, turn on your head lights, a wreck is up ahead... So, you would not alert a fellow human being to any possible dangers or situations? Would you even go as far as helping a person being mugged? or a person stranded on the side of a road with a broken down car? Exactly how do you know if someone going in the opposite direction of you is in fact speeding. Go ahead & say it...you would not help or warn or do anything towards another person if you felt it would inconvenience you. People in today's society are selfish & self serving & inhumane to their fellow man.




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#12 10 years ago
Count_Chocu1a;4953150So, you have NEVER driven over the speed limit? NEVER? EVER? I live in an area where the police will ticket you for driving 5 miles over the speed limit. Can you legitimatly say you can tell the difference between 20 mph & 25 mph? I for one appreciate a concerned citizen giving a friendly warning to a fellow driver. Flashing headlights gives other warning types, too: turn off your high beams, turn on your head lights, a wreck is up ahead... So, you would not alert a fellow human being to any possible dangers or situations? Would you even go as far as helping a person being mugged? or a person stranded on the side of a road with a broken down car? Exactly how do you know if someone going in the opposite direction of you is in fact speeding. Go ahead & say it...you would not help or warn or do anything towards another person if you felt it would inconvenience you. People in today's society are selfish & self serving & inhumane to their fellow man.

I have driven overspeed, but not on purpose for any longer periods. It's true you can get fined if you're not just paying enough attention and doing it by accident. It is indeed worth a thought what the definition for overspeed is, how much can you drive over the limit.

In fact I enjoy driving the speed limit (or just slightly above it just in case) and see some people driving just behind me, flashing their lights and just hungering to overtake or driving over the limit. What a good feeling it is then to look in your mirrors and block the fool. ;)

But atleast where I live the fine always goes by depending how much you were speeding. 100 km/h on 40 km/h area is, should we call it in English, aggravated speeding, which is far worse. It would be very wrong to let that person know of a speed trap and then let him speed over and over again? Also, if one was doing a big overspeed, he just might be drunk as well. I wouldn't want to let that drive end in a disaster because I "helped" him to dodge the speed trap.

Just because some people think they're so good drivers they could handle all situations doesn't mean speed limits aren't needed. Just look at traffic accident statistics. Speed (or acceleration for physics guys) is always a devastating factor in traffic accidents.

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#13 10 years ago

Rikupsoni;4953162 In fact I enjoy driving the speed limit (or just slightly above it just in case) and see some people driving just behind me, flashing their lights and just hungering to overtake or driving over the limit. What a good feeling it is then to look in your mirrors and block the fool. ;)[/QUOTE] Have you checked that your speedometer is 100 % correct, they usually show 5 to 10 km/h too little to be on the safe side for variations in tyre size? :uhm:

And yeah, I don't like idiots in traffic either, which is why I love driving a huge stationwagon that I can distance myself from those trying to drive through my car even though I'm already driving the customary 5 km/h over the speed limit, but I hate people who consider the roads their own and make a sport of causing queues and forcing others to drive equally slowly even more. If someone drives too slow and blocks me from overtaking, they will have a 1640 kg reminder too close for comfort until I get a chance to overtake. Most people get the hint...

By the way, is it not illegal and extremely dangerous to drive in a way that allows you to block the road?

Rikupsoni;4953162But atleast where I live the fine always goes by depending how much you were speeding. 100 km/h on 40 km/h area is, should we call it in English, aggravated speeding, which is far worse. It would be very wrong to let that person know of a speed trap and then let him speed over and over again? Also, if one was doing a big overspeed, he just might be drunk as well. I wouldn't want to let that drive end in a disaster because I "helped" him to dodge the speed trap.

I doubt anyone warns of speed traps in areas where a 40 km/h limit is justified... Not that I've ever seen a speed trap in such a place anyway, probably because most people don't speed there.

[QUOTE=Rikupsoni;4953162]Just because some people think they're so good drivers they could handle all situations doesn't mean speed limits aren't needed. Just look at traffic accident statistics. Speed (or acceleration for physics guys) is always a devastating factor in traffic accidents.

Sure, I'm all for speed limits as long as they make sense. The ones on motorways usually don't, neither do those of 40 km/h areas on long wide straight stretches of deserted roads that are put there only to work as speed traps, while ones in residential areas are very important for safety.

Just remember that speed is rarely the deciding factor in traffic accidents even though some people like to make it look that way, more often than not the driver was under the influence and if not, at least driving recklessly (I don't consider speeding reckless if it doesn't cause any danger), such as overtaking in heavy traffic or spots with limited visibility.




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#14 10 years ago

Huffardo;4953302Have you checked that your speedometer is 100 % correct, they usually show 5 to 10 km/h too little to be on the safe side for variations in tyre size? :uhm:

By the way, is it not illegal and extremely dangerous to drive in a way that allows you to block the road?

That's why I said "or just slightly above just in case", and with "blocking" by just being someone who drives by the limits, not exactly blocking with steering from left to right. =p But if you're driving the right speed and in such semi-residential area there no many places to overtake, you're keeping the ones who have urges to drive faster behind you. Although a more of a blocks have occurred on two-lane motorways, when someone with very low anger level would like to overtake other cars at 140 km/h speed when you're only doing it at 110 km/h on the same lane.

I doubt anyone warns of speed traps in areas where a 40 km/h limit is justified... Not that I've ever seen a speed trap in such a place anyway, probably because most people don't speed there.

Seen atleast a police wagon camping at such street in an intersection where you couldn't see it from far away.

With the electronical speed limit signs, maybe they do switch them to 80 km/h instead of 100 too eagerly.

There's a construction on European Route E75 where I live, with a limit of 50 km/h. Atleast I obeyed it, because you actually had to go to a tight place, although there wasn't any gravel. But many people seemed to go 100 km/h all the way. I'm sure police could use a patrol there and check their speed, just about every car would be overspeeding. Maybe you need to be a prick to obey them, but I don't mind. Ask the construction workers what they think about people driving at high speeds just next to them.




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#15 10 years ago

Warborg;4952458 I got to thinking... what is suppose to be the real reason for speeding tickets? It is for people to slow down and stop speeding. So, what is wrong with someone flashing their lights and the other cars slow down? [/QUOTE] I dont think anything is wrong.

Warborg;4952458 We know the true reason why the police gave him the ticket, because they could not give a speeder a ticket(MONEY).

I'd say this is true.

[QUOTE=Warborg;4952458] I've always had a love/hate relationship with the police. This is one of the major hates I have with police. I think 90% of speeding tickets are wasteful and only serve to collect money.

The speeder breaks the law, gets fined, the city gets money. Its how it works. Same with parking tickets. You park where you are not supposed to, you get a fine, and the city gets money.

My streets around my apt get street-sweeped every other monday. And there are signs all around. You cant park on the left side from 6-9 AM and not on the right side from 9-12. If your car is there when the street sweeper comes by and the sweeper has to go around you, the street sweeper has 2 little minion Parking Enforcement trucks, and one pulls up to your car and gives you a 50 dollar fine for the first offense. 100 for the second, 200 for the third, etc.

City makes mad money off that shit. I got a 50 and a 100 when I was still new to the area.

Wonder when Jeffero will come to this thread with his "the police r out 2 get meee" mindset.

I dont have a problem with police. I dont do anything to get them pissed at me. I think the only people who have the "FTP" attitude are people who got busted for shit before.

If I see a cop in a speed trap, I'll flash lights to warn other people.




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#16 10 years ago

Generally the Police only give tickets to the speeders that do not maintain the same speed as the flow of traffic. It would be pointless to stop every driver if everyone is going 90. It's the one person weaving in and out of traffic that causes a safety hazard. It's not only him that they're concerned with, it's also the other drivers on the road they endanger traveling faster. Faster speeds = less time to react to a situation especially around cars that are abiding by the speed limit.


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#17 10 years ago
n0e;4953395Generally the Police only give tickets to the speeders that do not maintain the same speed as the flow of traffic. It would be pointless to stop every driver if everyone is going 90.

Don't ever go to California. Back in 1995 going down to Fresno, California CHP (California Highway Patrol) had 43 cars pulled over for exeeding the speed limit. Sometimes they do large canvas pull overs. I was speeding too, but thankfully I wasn't part of the pull over. I had to slow down because of it, and my aunt who was with me told me what it was and that it happens all the time. They do it here in Colorado too. On Hwy 85 (old hwy that splits off of I-25 south of Denver) the cops tag team. They will have one car with the radar gun and several motorcycle cops up ahead and they pull 'em over one after another.




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#18 10 years ago

In California, from my recent experience, you'll be good as long as you're staying under 15-20 above the speed limit on the highways, and under 10-15 above on city streets.




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#19 10 years ago

Rikupsoni;4953327That's why I said "or just slightly above just in case", and with "blocking" by just being someone who drives by the limits, not exactly blocking with steering from left to right. =p [/QUOTE] Good, that sort of idiots are rare (anywhere but on the "leveäkaistatie" on E63, some people apparently don't know that rules apply also on that stretch) but insanely annoying. :)

[QUOTE=Rikupsoni;4953327]Although a more of a blocks have occurred on two-lane motorways, when someone with very low anger level would like to overtake other cars at 140 km/h speed when you're only doing it at 110 km/h on the same lane.

Why would you want to do 110 km/h in the fast lane on a 120 km/h motorway, unless overtaking a truck in a van? :confused:

The people who do that are very annoying though, it is such a waste (of e.g. fuel, time and brake pads) to have to suddenly brake and then accelerate back to speed just because someone who is out driving for fun couldn't check if the fast lane was clear. Those I can live with though, but I swear I'll memorize the license plate the next time a truck does that to me, forgot to do that last time (some very apparently drunk Russian car transport drivers chose to change places in their convoy in heavy traffic), so I'm not sure if the police was able to catch them (had to find a spot to stop to be able to legally call the police so I lost sight of them).




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#20 10 years ago

It is a "legal fictions" (or at least a "legal incomplete truth") for police spokesmen to say that drivers warning others of a speed trap are "interfering with police operations" or "endangering other drivers". If the police were truly concerned only with reducing the number of speeding drivers or keeping drivers safe, they would be happy to see drivers warning of a speed trap because it would slow others down, and thus presumably make the roads safer. What they're really ticked off about is interfering with their ability to write citations.

Now, that is a perfectly valid reason, because you can argue that flashing to warn of a trap only slows drivers down for those few moments. Writing citations, the argument goes, doe s a better job of slowing down at least those persons who get cited, at least for a few days or maybe weeks. That's perfectly legit - but we know that usually just as important as cutting down speeding - if not the real point of writing tickets - is the revenue to the jurisdiction whose speed laws are broken.

Still technically legit...it's just chicken..uh, "manure" to argue the "endangering other drivers" stuff which no one believes anyway.

More troubling is the tendency for police agencies to want to interfere with or stop citizens from videotaping them. Occasionally there is a valid issue raised by police to their being filmed or audiotaped and then distributed, such as disclosing the identity of an undercover officer and thus putting him in danger or ruining his usefulness (but that's why God created ski masks). Most of the time it's just the cops' very human reaction to being taped, knowing that they do and say some embarrassing things when they think no one not already on the team is looking or listening.

Maybe it's a cop mindlessly eating a booger or rubbing up a woody; maybe it's telling an arrestee of color who's screaming racial profiling and police brutality to "STFU n$@#%r!"; or maybe it's bitch-slapping an obnoxiously drunk and abusive DUI collar*;.....or just maybe it's taking turns bouncing Mag Lites off a guy's head, or maybe even slipping one of those little vacuum-packed ½-kilos of coke under his vest. Too bad officer, if the filmer or taper is standing on a public spot or otherwise has permission or some ownership right to be where s/he is, it can't be stopped and the police have no right to take it or destroy it.

Unfortunately, many a vid and tape have been stopped or destroyed because folks aren't willing to run the risk the cops, who are acting all threatening, will make a bogus arrest of them and "find" something nasty on their person or in their home or car. Most cops are decent and honorable people who are fighting a war they best way they can, and some sometimes bend the rules to do it. But then there are those who go too far, or are even outright crooks. Even worse, some of the big departments have such a long history of widespread corruption of the department (e.g., NY, Chicago, Boston, Miami, LA) that TV-style bogus arrest really might happen. So many vids and tapes stop before they get started. Still, with the ubiquitous cellphone cams, more and more cops will be taped without their knowledge.

* "Hey, whatsa matter? You puddin' ass cops couldn't find a donut shop open so you pull me over? Do you know who I am? When I say jump the [mayor-chief-commissioner-councilman etc.] says 'How high?' I'm gonna have your asses if you don't unhook me right now! Right now, dammit!!!"..... POW!!!!! SMACK!!!! WHOP!!!!....*whimper* *moan* *sniffle*)