Free Will vs. Causality 5 replies

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FireSphere

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#1 15 years ago

Do you think that humans have free will? Or do you think that human decisions are caused by and subject to the laws of physics? Or do you believe something else? Note: Causality doesn't rule out the existence of God. My own belief is that there is only the illusion of free will...many things happen that don't appear to be the result of free will, but by some underlying causality. Free will is also a very convenient way for people in law enforcement to blame certain people for crimes committed...sometimes too convenient. For example, yesterday I was supposed to go to a physics lab at 8:00 AM. But when I rolled over in bed and looked over, my clock showed 9:30 AM. Now, I had two different alarm clocks set up, (1) my cell phone alarm which both beeps and vibrates was right next to me, and (2) my normal alarm clock was across the room to prevent me from turning it off and forgetting to get out of bed afterward. I set both of my alarm clocks for 6:00 AM, quadruple checked them both, and when I woke up at 9:30 AM, both were set for 6:00 AM still. Also, I don't remember being woken up by them, nor does my roommate remember the alarm clocks going off. Finally, I wanted to get up at 6:00 AM very much so that I wouldn't miss my lab period (labs are 20% of my final grade). Now, why didn't they sound to wake me? This incident, I believe is yet more proof that I don't have free will. I did everything I could to wake up at 6:00 AM and still missed my lab. It was out of my control. Yet I am the one who will be blamed.




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#2 15 years ago

We have free will, because I do not believe there is any higher being controling us.




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#3 15 years ago

I believe that there is a God, but he leaves the choice up to us. He knows the results of both choices we could possibly make, and sometimes yes, he will make a choice for us, but he doesn't control us.

Cataphract: Dude! That happens to me alll the time! I hate that so much. Maybe we're deep sleepers or something and we sleep-walk to our alarm clocks?




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#4 15 years ago

I believe that there is a God, but he leaves the choice up to us. He knows the results of both choices we could possibly make, and sometimes yes, he will make a choice for us, but he doesn't control us. Yes, but how does the idea that humans can make choices not conflict with the idea that everything is the effect of something else? Everything occurs because it must!




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#5 15 years ago
CataphractYes, but how does the idea that humans can make choices not conflict with the idea that everything is the effect of something else? Everything occurs because it must!

Dude...i have no clue! Too deep! ;) :D




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#6 15 years ago

Dude...i have no clue! Too deep! ;) :D Think about it for a little bit, it's not too hard. I guess I'm just pointing out that the idea of [color=red]free will[/color] presents a paradox. Consider the following syllogism: Every thing follows cause and effect. Humans are things. Therefore, humans follow cause and effect. If humans are a subset of the set of all things, and all things have the property of following [color=blue]cause and effect[/color], then humans must also have this property. Also, logically, there can be no subset of elements that are both members of the set of all things and members of some other set of elements having the property of following [color=red]free will[/color]. How can humans follow their own will and the will of the laws of physics at the same time? It is clear that the laws of physics prevail regardless of whether one wants them to.