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#1 11 years ago

does freedom really exist, i mean is this ideal true, as we are all controlled in some way, by media, society, taboos, judgmental people and even coporate brainwashing what is freedom? to me freedom does not exist, its just people allowed extra choices in a controlled society what is your view on freedom?




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#2 11 years ago

Yes, freedom exists. But its not compatible with inequality. I can't help rolling my eyes when socialists claim that they bring "absolute equality" - as if that were a good thing. Even in the USSR, smart people managed to get ahead of the crowd. This happened in Ukraine where a few people managed to scrape up some savings. In the late 30s the USSR authorities moved in, confiscated these people's "inequal" savings, and deported them to Siberia. I'll take freedom over equality any day. Equality is a child's fantasy. If I can't have a new bicycle, NOBODY should have a new bicycle!




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#3 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3408218Yes, freedom exists. But its not compatible with inequality. I can't help rolling my eyes when socialists claim that they bring "absolute equality" - as if that were a good thing. Even in the USSR, smart people managed to get ahead of the crowd. This happened in Ukraine where a few people managed to scrape up some savings. In the late 30s the USSR authorities moved in, confiscated these people's "inequal" savings, and deported them to Siberia. I'll take freedom over equality any day. Equality is a child's fantasy. If I can't have a new bicycle, NOBODY should have a new bicycle!

well i think that people should keep what they earned through hard work, but we should still help poorer people in society (i do not mean that a lazy person gets as much money as hard worker as that is silly) but i agree socially we cannot all be equal, but as human beings we should accept we are all equal and human and beautiful in our own ways




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#4 11 years ago

Of course, but just because you or I don't have something doesn't mean we should hinder other people from getting it.

The world is a giant, deep well. The capitalists try to climb up the sides and on top.

Socialists come in two flavors - the socialist followers: the people down at the bottom of the well who pull the capitalists by their feet back into the muck.

Then there's the socialist leaders - the wealthy elites sitting on top of the well kicking people back in - all in the name of "equality for the masses".




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#5 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3408250Of course, but just because you or I don't have something doesn't mean we should hinder other people from getting it. The world is a giant, deep well. The capitalists try to climb up the sides and on top. Socialists come in two flavors - the socialist followers: the people down at the bottom of the well who pull the capitalists by their feet back into the muck. Then there's the socialist leaders - the wealthy elites sitting on top of the well kicking people back in - all in the name of "equality for the masses".

yes, but once capitalists get to the top they begin to run everything and start themselves kicking people down. i think people should get what they earn, but idont agree with attitude of somebody being better, my parents look down on poor people and i do not like it, it is not very nice




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#6 11 years ago

I don't mind capitalist elites - at least they fly around in private jets and cars and aren't ashamed of it. I remember reading something about one woman who was asked if she felt bad about flying in a private plane, using up expensive fuel. She replied "Well, it would have flown anyway even if I hadn't boarded". Right. Pretending they're something that they're not - that IS annoying.




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#7 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3408268I don't mind capitalist elites - at least they fly around in private jets and cars and aren't ashamed of it. I remember reading something about one woman who was asked if she felt bad about flying in a private plane, using up expensive fuel. She replied "Well, it would have flown anyway even if I hadn't boarded". Right. Pretending they're something that they're not - that IS annoying.

see i dont like opinion on capatalists, you talk as if they are good people when they are not, alot are selfish and will betray




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#8 11 years ago

Tolerance, is what I think Machiavelli's is getting at I think, I can't stand capatalists but hey! let'em live there "high" and "fancy" life.


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#9 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3408268I don't mind capitalist elites - at least they fly around in private jets and cars and aren't ashamed of it.

The huge multi-national companies that exploit workers in the third world are one of the worst aspects of capitalism in my opinion. Big companies such as nike make trainers with workers who are almost used as slave labour. I would be ashamed if all my money was made in that way.




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#10 11 years ago

Technically you are always free because you don't HAVE to do anything. Even if someone is keeping you as a slave you still have the freedom to oppose them, even if it gets you killed.