Freedom of Religion or Freedom from Religion? 32 replies

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Joe Bonham

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#11 13 years ago

I believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion. People can believe what they want, but I wish they would do so in relative privacy... just like I don't wish to see gay men making out in public.

We have to look at this from a freedom from religion point of view. Ok, we all went to public school (for those who went to private schools: ya'll are wusses) and said the Pledge of Allegiance (for those who don't live in the US: sucks to be you). Remember the part in the Pledge where you said "One Nation, under God"? What so would happen if that was just changed to "One Nation, under Allah" just because some Muslim group wanted it so?

"God" could refer to just about any deity. FYI - the word "allah" probably comes from the hebrew word "elah", which means "God(s)". Now - it would make much more sense just to have the English word, "God", in the Pledge, since everbody is supposed to know English anyway.




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#12 13 years ago
Aeroflotte;3389207 We have to look at this from a freedom from religion point of view. Ok, we all went to public school (for those who went to private schools: ya'll are wusses) and said the Pledge of Allegiance (for those who don't live in the US: sucks to be you). Remember the part in the Pledge where you said "One Nation, under God"? What so would happen if that was just changed to "One Nation, under Allah" just because some Muslim group wanted it so?

Christians and Muslims both believe in the same god. Allah is just the name Muslims use, so would it really matter?

EDIT: Oops, I think mach beat me to the answer.




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#13 13 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3389218"God" could refer to just about any deity. FYI - the word "allah" probably comes from the hebrew word "elah", which means "God(s)".

Did my whole post just fly over your head? It doesn't matter. I'm not religious. I don't care if God could refer to any deity, it's not equal for all beliefs.

And "allah" comes from the semetic language group, which is not limited to just Hebrew.

Christians and Muslims both believe in the same god. Allah is just the name Muslims use, so would it really matter?

Again, I was using Allah as an example. I could have used a Hindu god, or some god of an African tribe.




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#14 13 years ago
FYI - the word "allah" probably comes from the hebrew word "elah", which means "God(s)".

actually theyre both the same family language, alot of arabic and hewbrew words are very similar. dosent mean one came from the other. I have an israeli friend that lives in my neighbour hood, when me and my family speak arabic they can pick up and understand what were saying, and the same true for them.

Christians and Muslims both believe in the same god. Allah is just the name Muslims use, so would it really matter?

And jews too. but the three religions go about praying to him, etc. differently.

But its true not al athiests want this, only a small minority that are active at it. I know MANY athiests that say the word GOD, in the pledge and dont care if it was there or not. the hardcore athiests do care though. if the word god was taken out of the pledge, Id be so pissed.. the majority of the people want it, the minority of active athiests shouldnt over come us.




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#15 13 years ago
Aeroflotte;3389224 Again, I was using Allah as an example. I could have used a Hindu god, or some god of an African tribe.

Come to think of it, the term "one nation under god" isn't even close to being true. There are thousands of agnostics/athiests in this nation so the simple fact is that we aren't one nation under god. Anyways, I don't mind it being in there. It isn't like a pledge to Bush or anything...;)




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#16 13 years ago

Oh my God, another thread on religion? Are you people kidding me! How many of these threads do we need!? But hey…continue please.




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#17 13 years ago
AlDajaOh my God, another thread on religion? Are you people kidding me! How many of these threads do we need!? But hey…continue please.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but most of these different threads on religion covered different specific topics. Religion's a pretty general catergory, y'know.




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#18 13 years ago
EON_MagicMan;3389414[/font][/color] I'm not sure if you've noticed, but most of these different threads on religion covered different specific topics. Religion's a pretty general catergory, y'know.

Really? No freaking way dude, that's just plain crazy talk.:rolleyes:




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#19 13 years ago
AlDaja;3389450Really? No freaking way dude, that's just plain crazy talk.:rolleyes:

Ok...Sorry EON, I was getting a little smart, but you opened yourself up for it, anywho we are both tired and it is late, have a good night or morning actually.:cya:




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#20 13 years ago

I think it all depends on whether you actually embrace religious freedom, or merely tolerate it. First of all it makes no sense at all to contend that removal of religious symbols etc is an attack on religion, while at the same time stating that their presence does not amount to an attack on atheism. Which is it? If you say the presence of religious symbolism does not prevent anybody from holding their own beliefs, logically the same goes for lack of religious symbolism. As for tradition and history, to my knowledge the pledge of allegiance existed for about sixty years before the words "under God" were added to it, to remind people of "the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man". The actual traditional pledge is entirely secular and does not, to be blunt, come across as a slap in the face to people that don't believe in God. Complete separation of church and state is better for all concerned, not just non-believers. What people seem to forget is that both will influence each other, and neither government interference in religion or religious interference in government are desirable.