Freedom of Religion or Freedom from Religion? 32 replies

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Safe-Keeper

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#31 13 years ago
its like (all the sudden it's bad) even though a picture of jesus was hanging on a wall for 30 years. I figure being christian, that other people STILL try to change ideas and or wich church, etc etc.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Take our statements out of proportion all you want. Scream "enforcing the separation of Church and State equals to wanting all Christianity to be banned" as loudly as you can in the middle of Manhattan and see how I care.

Or discuss the topic at hand in a mature way. Your call.

So why all these liberal types think they are the only ones who may be confronted is just lame beyond lame.

Please explain.

Live and let live, true freedom, but oh no, now they are making LAWS for what to cook french fries in.

What:confused:?

Laws to build and guide and form and safe

What:confused:?

and to me thats makes the phone tapping crap a minor thing.

As much as I want to reply elaborately to that, your skewed proportions are a matter for another thread.

But a law to FORCE you to not smoke cigarettes, DOES affect peoples loosing our freedoms.

I do not support a smoking ban. The abolition of alcohol, in my eyes, proved beyond reasonable doubt that such measures are counter-productive to the extreme.

Unlike people put those crosses up way back when, WANTED to do it, because we (were) free.

Who are the "people" in question here?

If you mean private individuals putting crucifixes on private property, no problem.

If you mean public sector workers putting crucifixes on public property, then the "freedom" vanishes as the government of the USA is inherently secular.

I say teach creation, and darwin, we had both in the christian elemtary schools I went to.But in reality nowdays, they have taken our freedom away, and chop off creationism, fair? you say?, not even close.

Unproven accusation. The refusal to teach Creationism along with evolution equally has to do with the fact that the two ideas are not equal. It'd be akin to teaching Intelligent Falling alongside the laws and theories of gravity, or the theory of magnetism alongside the mythical belief that magnetism is caused by spirits.

It has zilch to do with freedom or prosecution of mythological superstitions. Believe in God, Odin, the luck-producing properties of horseshoes, and the need to throw salt over your shoulder when spilling some all you want. But keep it out of science class.

More here.

Stop all these anti relgous crap, and the problem will dissappear.

Again, you're pulling things out of proportion.

Enforcing the separation of Church and State does not neccessarily equal to anti-religious "crap". It does not follow that just because I believe one thing, I also have to subscribe to another belief.

Once and for all: To support the Separation of Church and State does not inherently equal opposition to

  • Religion.
  • Freedom of religion.
  • The right of private individuals to display their religious beliefs.
  • The moral codes of Christian Scriptures, be it discarded ones such as death sentence for disobeying your parents or the ones currently in use as they happen to conform to the Christians' morals.

I think that covers everything.

I also restate my challenge from above: Instead of dodging the debate by going "it's unimportant compared to issue X", "I don't care, so neither should you", or other irrelevant arguments, provide one or more reasons for why religious elements such as the "Under God"-line in the Pledge should stay. What do we benefit from having them there?

Religious symbolism is threatening to twisted elements within the far-left. They use the guise of freedom from religion but in truth, its freedom from moral prosecution. Religion is the last vestige of moral value for society. Think about it, once people no longer care about religion or moral values they represent, it lays the way for perverse aspects to solidify within society…Sodom and Gomorra ring any bells.

I appreciate that you address the issue at hand, but at the same time, you're actually at the same time off-topic. There's a thread already discussing the fallacy that morals originated with religion. I suggest you post your ideas there.




AlDaja

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#32 13 years ago

I appreciate that you address the issue at hand, but at the same time, you're actually at the same time off-topic. There's a thread already discussing the fallacy that morals originated with religion. I suggest you post your ideas there.[/quote] - Safe-Keeper :uhm: Sorry, there are so many of these religious threads its easy to mix em up...:p




Joe Bonham

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#33 13 years ago
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Take our statements out of proportion all you want. Scream "enforcing the separation of Church and State equals to wanting all Christianity to be banned" as loudly as you can in the middle of Manhattan and see how I care. Or discuss the topic at hand in a mature way. Your call.

Good job, yet another ad hominem attack. He's making a valid point which you don't have an answer to, so you resort to a silly personal attack. Not that you're even going to see this post. You're so afraid of me you have me on your iggy list.:lol: