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masked_marsoe VIP Member

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#1 12 years ago

The topic should be clear enough, but just in case:

Is freedom more important than security?

Is 1984 your guidebook for safety?

Where do we trade one for the other, and is any trade-off a bad thing in the short/medium/long term?

Edit: Dammit... Big Brother, not Brither. Stupid laptop keyboards.




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#2 12 years ago

I recall a quote by one of the founding fathers of the United States, something along the lines of "a nation which puts security before liberty will gain neither, and lose both".

Granted, we do need people ready to defend this country in several capacities, but freedom is the ideal that the United States was founded on.

Now, does this mean I am against a policy of stricter security measures against young Arab men at airports? Not at all. Does this mean that I think that illegal immigrants have a right to live in our country? Hell no. What it does mean is that we can not let our personal freedoms be frittered away for no good reason.




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#3 12 years ago

It isn't that simple question. Is freedom valuable without security and other way around? What exactly is included under the labels of "freedom" and "security"? Not to mention that these two mean very different things for different people. I don't know the answer for your question, I would seek some sort of golden middle road.

P.S. It's not hard to guess which people in this forum gets into which camp. I predict heated discussion coming up orchestrated with quotes by Ayn Rand, Jefferson and Franklin.




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#4 12 years ago

Well, lets get the Franklin out there right at the start:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.




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#5 12 years ago

Well, I had the general jist of it right anyways.




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#6 12 years ago

I choose option two. I believe freedom to be marginally more important than security because I believe the pursuit of security threatens liberty more than the pursuit of liberty threatens security. Of course there are some concessions that must be made on both sides.




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#7 12 years ago

I think it's better to be completly free than to be completly secure if the condition is that the other one automatically reaches zero.

Practically I don't mind giving up some freedoms for more security, it just depends which freedoms. I don't mind, for example, if someone at an airport x-rays my underwear.




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#8 12 years ago

Freedom over security, all the time. Security is yet another way to police us. It is supposedly done for our own good, because, for a fact, we can't seem to be able to think for ourselves.




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#9 12 years ago

It depends ont he situation. There are some freedoms which should NEVER be encroached upon such as freedom of religon and freedom of speech. But when there is extream danger and you have to take a few steps to bring a bit more overall saftey to the world then I don't find losing my privacy, among other things.




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#10 12 years ago

I voted the second option. I think the level of freedom as it is in the US is too much, and i'm quite fine with some reductions. For example, i'm quite happy that Neofascists aren't allowed to publically express their opinions, that the Nazi party is banned here, and that not everyone can own a firearm, and such. However i'm definetly against cencorship, and obviously there are many essential freedoms, like freedom of religion.