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#21 10 years ago
Mr. Pedantic;4799881But then why not just save us all the trouble of having to dispose of the corpses and just not give birth to them in the first place? Thus the reason for the discussion about overpopulation.

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#22 10 years ago
Really? What are the statistics on China's population growth? I'm curious what it's at now compared to before they started the project.

According to the Chinese government, they've prevented an extra 250 million births with their policy.




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#23 10 years ago
Hmm.. Guess that didn't work then. I opt for 'the snip' on all Men in China who have had their first child. That would solve the problem.

They tried something like that in India. I.e. a draconic policy to make people have on child. It ended with an extreme unpopularity of the chief of state and led to her assassination I believe. Or maybe merely an attempt at it.

As long as western and eastern nations will at least try to keep a facade of being democratic and liberal, a bill which forces people to only have one child or that forces adults to undergo sterilisation after one child cannot be passed. The government that does such commits technical suicide in doing so.




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#24 10 years ago
Inyri Forge;4799674lol please visit some Asian countries and revise your statement.[/quote] lol please reread his post and revise your statement. You took it out of context. Overpopulation is localized to a few areas, not the whole world as your post is implying.
Afterburner;4799868Meh, overpopulation is self-correcting anyways. If the human race grows so large that it is incapable of being sustained then people die, and the population decreases.[/quote] As awful as it is, it's also true. Fighting it is less cost effective than letting it work itself out the natural way.
Mr. Pedantic;4799881But then why not just save us all the trouble of having to dispose of the corpses and just not give birth to them in the first place? Thus the reason for the discussion about overpopulation.[/quote] Hmm, this is beginning to sound suspiciously like those planned parenthood people who as we speak are exterminating minorities in poor neighborhoods around where I live... [quote=Aerilon;4799895]Hmm.. Guess that didn't work then. I opt for 'the snip' on all Men in China who have had their first child. That would solve the problem. =p
Nobody has the right to tell you how many children you can have unless for some reason there are complications, such as an inability to care for them. [quote=Mr. Pedantic;4800585]According to the Chinese government, they've prevented an extra 250 million births with their policy.
Wouldn't that cause problems further down the line? I saw a show discussing how the massive number of aborted children is having a significant impact on the American economy due to a lack of adult workers, all of which have been steadily killed off since the '60s. [quote=Junk angel;4801096]They tried something like that in India. I.e. a draconic policy to make people have on child. It ended with an extreme unpopularity of the chief of state and led to her assassination I believe. Or maybe merely an attempt at it.

Yeah, I think I'd be more than a little angry if some random person with a title got up and told me how to live.

As long as western and eastern nations will at least try to keep a facade of being democratic and liberal, a bill which forces people to only have one child or that forces adults to undergo sterilisation after one child cannot be passed.

Why is it a good thing? A country like the United States needs an increasing population, partly because of the number of deaths and of course the fact that we greedily aborted millions of children and cut off a large part of our workers in doing so. As of the present, the only increase in population is coming from Mexican/South American immigrants (many of which aren't the legal type and are draining our resources) and Arabs. They tend to reproduce like rabbits.

The government that does such commits technical suicide in doing so.

Technical? We're suffering from bad management, people who don't know how to use the economy for anything but getting rich quick, screw-you everyone else, hordes of disease-ridden undocumented immigrants flowing in from Mexico, many of which are only here to mass-spawn anchor babies and drain resources with no intention of working (don't forget the gangs that murder people every now and then), and now you're suggesting we tell them not to have children? It's not like a bunch of undocumented people with no reason to be here (not all of them) are going to help our situation. We need more useful people, not less.




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#25 10 years ago

How can you blame abortion for anything like that? Abortion is the result of people not wanting to have kids, but managing to get one in the oven by accident. That's as much as a choice as to get one and fallowing through.

Abortion or no, it's effect is minuscule on the workforce. If people don't want to have kids they wont have any.




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#26 10 years ago
Penguin_UnitYou took it out of context. Overpopulation is localized to a few areas, not the whole world as your post is implying.

My post, which you quoted and apparently didn't actually read, implies that overpopulation is a problem in a number of Asian countries, which is why I advised him to visit some Asian countries.

Had you read all the posts in this thread you would know I suggested that overpopulation is not a world-wide problem but rather an isolated issue in certain countries. Reading the whole thread ftw. :)

Hmm, this is beginning to sound suspiciously like those planned parenthood people who as we speak are exterminating minorities in poor neighborhoods around where I live...

:rofl:

Yeah, I think I'd be more than a little angry if some random person with a title got up and told me how to live.

oh noes! I bet you hate the police telling you what you can't do. Damn those laws, telling me how to live!

Why is it a good thing? A country like the United States needs an increasing population, partly because of the number of deaths and of course the fact that we greedily aborted millions of children and cut off a large part of our workers in doing so.

:rofl:

Get some statistics on the number of American children in orphanages and foster care. We don't need more children, we need more people willing to adopt unwanted children.

The United States isn't lacking a work force. If we were I'd have gotten a job by now. ;)




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#27 10 years ago
Hmm, this is beginning to sound suspiciously like those planned parenthood people who as we speak are exterminating minorities in poor neighborhoods around where I live...

So...you're saying someone's committing genocide a few blocks from you?

Wouldn't that cause problems further down the line? I saw a show discussing how the massive number of aborted children is having a significant impact on the American economy due to a lack of adult workers, all of which have been steadily killed off since the '60s.

Oh, yes. This sort of thing. Well, if you read Freakonomics, it explains perfectly clearly, and with exactly the same authority undoubtedly exuded by your unnamed 'show', how the massive number of aborted children, as you put it, dramatically reduced the crime rate after 18 years, when those aborted children would have been graffitiing, taking drugs, raping, murdering, and causing general uncivil mayhem.




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#28 10 years ago
Tas;4801234How can you blame abortion for anything like that? Abortion is the result of people not wanting to have kids, but managing to get one in the oven by accident. That's as much as a choice as to get one and fallowing through.[/quote] Kill a fifth of our current population. See if it doesn't cause problems.
Abortion or no, it's effect is minuscule on the workforce. If people don't want to have kids they wont have any.
I don't think it had everything to do with the workers; in fact, now that I think of it, it might not've had to do with them directly at all. It was something to do with the output or whatever. I'm no economist, nor do I have photographic memory, so it kind of went in one ear and out the other.
Inyri Forge;4801255My post, which you quoted and apparently didn't actually read, implies that overpopulation is a problem in a number of Asian countries, which is why I advised him to visit some Asian countries.
Yes, but the way you posted implied, regardless of what you meant, that there was a bigger problem than there really is. It's not exactly a problem unless it spreads. Such has yet to affect the entire world.
Had you read all the posts in this thread you would know I suggested that overpopulation is not a world-wide problem but rather an isolated issue in certain countries.
Yay, assumptions. Congratulations, in twenty-four hours, you are the second to have assumed something about me without a factual basis. I did read the entire thread, by the way.
Reading the whole thread ftw. :):rofl:
Insecure?
oh noes! I bet you hate the police telling you what you can't do. Damn those laws, telling me how to live!:rofl:
The police tell you what to do within reason. If I want to drink alcohol excessively in my own home, I have every right to. But when they tell me how to work my own biology, that is simply too far. I have every right to as many children as I am capable of caring for.
Get some statistics on the number of American children in orphanages and foster care. We don't need more children, we need more people willing to adopt unwanted children.
That works, too. But there's some other problems, like greedy people who can't be bothered to care for childre, instead choosing to waste time in frivolous pursuits.
The United States isn't lacking a work force. If we were I'd have gotten a job by now. ;)
Perhaps I am remembering wrong. Again, it might've been something to do with the output of said people working. We do have a lot of people on hand, they just don't always seem to be much help. Then there's lazy immigrants who prefer anchor babies sapping our resources instead of giving back something in return. [quote=Mr. Pedantic;4801258]So...you're saying someone's committing genocide a few blocks from you?

You could call it that. Margaret Sanger had a plan, y'see...and it's working flawlessly under everyone's noses.

Oh, yes. This sort of thing. Well, if you read Freakonomics, it explains perfectly clearly, and with exactly the same authority undoubtedly exuded by your unnamed 'show', how the massive number of aborted children, as you put it, dramatically reduced the crime rate after 18 years, when those aborted children would have been graffitiing, taking drugs, raping, murdering, and causing general uncivil mayhem.

What does crime have to do with it? Perfectly capable people can cause crimes instead of work, which means, assuming a lack of decently producing people is a detriment to the economy, that it would have the same effect regardless of their presence. But uncivil? I suppose it is civil to kill our children when their heads are nearly out of the womb. As for the unnamed part, I didn't sit there thinking, "Oh, gee, in three weeks I'll be discussing whether or not sixty million people falling off the face of the earth over the last four decades will have an impact on the economy or not. Maybe I should sit here memorizing the name of this show because a thread might show up in a section I don't visit that often which might discuss an issue that might have an opening for me to mention this tiny scrap of debateable information. It was only on like one or two times. Some guy talking about the economy and various related stuff that nearly went over my head.




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#29 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4801298Kill a fifth of our current population. See if it doesn't cause problems. I don't think it had everything to do with the workers; in fact, now that I think of it, it might not've had to do with them directly at all. It was something to do with the output or whatever. I'm no economist, nor do I have photographic memory, so it kind of went in one ear and out the other. That works, too. But there's some other problems, like greedy people who can't be bothered to care for childre, instead choosing to waste time in frivolous pursuits.

You do know that people having less children has nothing to do with the fact they can get abortions now don't you? It's a trend completely separated from it.

It seems you have issues with abortion and immigration and choose to use them as convenient scape goats for the problems you are listing. Along with calling people greedy for allowing themselves to live their lives the way they want, rather than submit to the needs of the society at large requiring more crotch droplings. Nobody owes it to you to burden themselves with YOUR definition of "worthwhile" pursuits.




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#30 10 years ago
Penguin_UnitInsecure?

Why would your inability to read an entire thread make me insecure? I just enjoy pointing out when you're being stupid.

The police tell you what to do within reason. If I want to drink alcohol excessively in my own home, I have every right to. But when they tell me how to work my own biology, that is simply too far. I have every right to as many children as I am capable of caring for.

They haven't told you that. I'm fairly certain no one has told anyone that. Even China hasn't made the "one child policy" required; they give financial incentives to families with only a single child. Still, you can see the effects of this in the number of little Chinese baby girls abandoned or shipped to American parents who can adopt them much more easily than they can a little American baby girl. Every good idea has a down-side.

That works, too. But there's some other problems, like greedy people who can't be bothered to care for childre, instead choosing to waste time in frivolous pursuits.

I'm confused as to how this relates to your original abortion topic.

Then there's lazy immigrants who prefer anchor babies sapping our resources instead of giving back something in return.

There are many many immigrants who contribute greatly to our society by working hard and doing jobs most Americans would scoff at. Seems to me that most 'immigrants' work much harder than your average American because they have more to work for -- a better life than they could have had in their own country. I try not to let the handful of Mexicans that whistle at my sister out of their pickup truck make me think poorly of all of them.