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[130pz.]Kading

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#1 14 years ago

on wednesday i was at the navy office for my wednesday meeting. there was a chief petty officer that i had not met yet and he gave us a lecture on the future of the navy. durring this lecture he mentioned that as of 2007, the navy will not accept enlistments or re-enlistments from people without an associates degree. you heard it here first: the army is lowering its standards and the navy is raising em.




Inyri Forge Advanced Member

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#2 14 years ago

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From FH forums.

As for the issue, I say good for the navy! The army should learn a thing or two. Because really... do we want high school drop outs to be running around in another country with assault weapons? If they can't handle high school alegbra, what guarantee do we have that they can protect their country?




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#3 14 years ago
Inyri ForgeAs for the issue, I say good for the navy!

I say bad for the navy, you've just significantly lowered the amount of recruits you'll get. A degree wont stop you getting shot at when the fighting starts.

The army should learn a thing or two. Because really... do we want high school drop outs to be running around in another country with assault weapons?

Would you rather "bookworms" then? A persons academic ability bears no reflection of their abilities as a soliders. Many veterans of WWII did not have a proper educated but still preformed brilliantly and bravely for their countries.

If they can't handle high school alegbra, what guarantee do we have that they can protect their country?

If you have a piece of paper saying you can do simultaneous equations what guarantee is this that they will protect your country?




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#4 14 years ago

Hmm I don't know when you obtain your associates degree but I agree that the minimum requirements to get into the army, navy or airforce shouldn't be too low. Ofcours you don't need a bachlor or master degree either but atleast a certain level of patience and intelligence is required. If you can't even finish Highschool at it's lowest level then... well *shrugs*. If you drop out of highschool you are probably not one of the worlds most brightests or most patient.




GreatGrizzly

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#5 14 years ago
Inyri Forge Because really... do we want high school drop outs to be running around in another country with assault weapons? If they can't handle high school alegbra, what guarantee do we have that they can protect their country?

Actually those are the best soldiers the army can find. Get the kids off the street, who will do anything for a decent paycheck, and have them fight. If the recruits are intellegent, they would know that the chances of them surviving in wars is slim to none, thus they wouldnt go to war, or they would question their superiors. The ones that are, umm slow, will not question their officers and will be more enticed by an easy paycheck.

Also the more intelligent they are, the more resistant they are to the conditioning that the military needs for them to be obiediant soldiers.




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#6 14 years ago
IR15HWould you rather "bookworms" then? A persons academic ability bears no reflection of their abilities as a soliders. Many veterans of WWII did not have a proper educated but still preformed brilliantly and bravely for their countries.

You're comparing apples and oranges. The concept of "education" was much different in the 40's than it is now.

Any idiot who goes to school can get an associates degree. The only reason most college students don't get them (myself included) is because they mean nothing. You don't have to be a bookworm to get an associate's degree, you just have to show up for class. If you can't even bring yourself to go, why the heck should anyone let you touch a gun?




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#7 14 years ago
Inyri ForgeYou're comparing apples and oranges

Soldiers with soldiers.

The concept of "education" was much different in the 40's than it is now.

The concept of war is the same.

Any idiot who goes to school can get an associates degree. The only reason most college students don't get them (myself included) is because they mean nothing. You don't have to be a bookworm to get an associate's degree, you just have to show up for class.

You dont have to have a degree to fire a gun.

If you can't even bring yourself to go, why the heck should anyone let you touch a gun?

Well you can touch a gun anyway if you live in America. As for the degree, perhaps the students arent smart enough for a more worth while degree and know associate degrees are worthless so dont bother wasting 2 years of their lives trying to obtain one. Basically what im saying is a a piece of paper does not make you any better or worse a soldier so its silly to impose such a restriction.




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#8 14 years ago

The world's concept of a soldier falls a little short really. People who join the army, navy, airforce, so forth and so on so forth, are not going to nessisarily become offensive forces. Moreso alot become gaurds, policemen (over here, not over there nessisarily), medics, reserves, people relaying orders and directions, scout pilots. The commercials where you see people firing missiles is the long hoped for dream of some people, however in reality you most likely wouldn't see combat related service for years, and firing missiles for decades and doing anything else for alot longer. The days of big muscle men strapping on armor and just killing all enemies ended when the Punic wars began. Tactics would decide the outcome of battles and soldiers would be specialized.

No it doesn't require a degree to fire a gun, it requires a degree to fix one and other various equipment you are likely to deal with being returned from the battlefield.




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#9 14 years ago

I'd rather have a high school drop-out protecting our country than some stuck-up snooty cretin, tbh with you.

Inyri, did it ever occur to you that most of the sodiers in Iraq, the men and women risking their lives to protect you, are only there to pay for college? They can't go to a university if they can't afford it.

Ever hear of the GI Bill?




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#10 14 years ago

Not quite true slick.

The ones risking their lives, the infantrymen and armor crews, are there because they wanted to fight in this war. They signed up to kick ass and serve their country at the same time. The guys driving trucks and unloading ships, they are the ones going into the service to pay for college.

I doubt that this petty officer was telling the whole story Kading. Perhaps one must have an associates degree for certain jobs, but education and military opportunity have walked hand in hand for hundreds of years. Why do you think it is that the best educated people become officers, and most others are destined to be enlisted?

Inryi, the skills used to clear a room and balance chemical equations are totally different. One soldier in my uncle's company from Afghanistan did not graduate from high school, but is one of the best combat troops he had ever seen, and now he is a Ranger.