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Relander

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#11 12 years ago
WarHawk109He still doesn't believe in it IMO, he's just waffling to appear more moderate.

Though which one is better: lieing for the public about personal opinion or do an about face?

Good! We are going to win a majority next election anyway so you don't matter! ;)

See what I mean Octovon?

Poll results shouldn't be taken as granted nor they should be trusted. The polls just reflect the situation when the question is asked and not what it's like in the election day, in a polling station: there are many "moving"/"swing" voters who delay their final decision until the very last minute. Both the Conservatives and the Liberals fit into the margin of error as far as I understand, meaning that the Conservatives could get "just" 31% support and the Liberals could get 32% support.

Placing party leaders against each other as prime minister canditates, turning the elections into "prime minister elections" shouldn't be a major case in the elections as they are (or at least should be) mostly about party agendas & objectives, not that much about persons. In Finland we already suffer about this "prime minister election" thesis for the upcoming elections at March as the media wants to turn the elections into a private competition between the chairmen of three largest parties, leaving out other five parliamentary parties. Not to mention the fact that polls often favour an incumbent prime minister, in this case Stephen Harper.

Besides, the poll results differ between different polling companies. Patience people.

P.S. Uncalled personal attacks, quoting a newspapers or not, aren't acceptable. Politics don't need trash like that.




WarHawk109

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#12 12 years ago
Relander;3550125Though which one is better: lieing for the public about personal opinion or do an about face?

It doesn't matter to me that much, as long as I agree with what is being done, or not done.

What Harper and the Conservatives are doing is changing the definition of what is green.

Also, by appearing more moderate they are bringing the centre towards them, instead of going towards the centre themselves.

I think it's a great tactic.

Poll results shouldn't be taken as granted nor they should be trusted. The polls just reflect the situation when the question is asked and not what it's like in the election day, in a polling station: there are many "moving"/"swing" voters who delay their final decision until the very last minute. Both the Conservatives and the Liberals fit into the margin of error as far as I understand, meaning that the Conservatives could get "just" 31% support and the Liberals could get 32% support.

That is true, but it shows that the Liberals are losing momentum, since they are down by several points.

I think you are right about polls though, they can't be relied upon for predicting an election. That's why I stated other reasons for why they will not win. Divided party + poor leadership + history = Conservative majority.

Not to mention the fact that polls often favour an incumbent prime minister, in this case Stephen Harper.

I wouldn't say in this case, Harper has always been the underdog.

P.S. Uncalled personal attacks, quoting a newspapers or not, aren't acceptable. Politics don't need trash like that.

It wasn't a personal attack. All it did was bring to light a conflict of interest.




Nostradamouse

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#13 12 years ago

Well your favorite prime minister seemed to be doing a better job at helping the Liberal spirit now that he trash talked the family of one of the House of Commons Liberal representant.




WarHawk109

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#14 12 years ago

the Liberals are still divided. there are a great number of Liberals who want to keep the anti-terror provisions but can't understand why Dion has flip-flopped on this issue. Also, Dion wanted to stage a walkout of parliament today but had no support to do so.




Octovon

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#15 12 years ago

The Liberals may be divided, but Conservative MPs are not allowed to voice their personal opinions, else they get booted from the party like Garth Turner, who spoke against Stephen Harper on his blog (Harper cooked up some idea that he was leaking cabinet secrets).

I'm frankly tired of the nature of Canadian politics in the past few years. The House of Commons has become a forum of yelling and slander, then the MPs go on prolonged vacations, only to come back to bitch and complain some more. Sure this sounds like politics indeed, but the Commons was supposed to be a place of intelligible debate, not senseless argument and constant booing.

To be honest though, I'd prefer another minority government. The fact that the parties actually have to work together to get something done is quite the machination. I dislike the idea of the social 'progress' of a Conservative majority, or the economic downturns of a NDP majority. The Liberals have more recently taken a center-position with a fiscally conservative/socially progressive agenda, but they've endured years of poor leadership, so they may not be back in a majority for some time.

Oh well, good luck to the parties if an election is called, they'll need it.




WarHawk109

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#16 12 years ago
The Liberals may be divided, but Conservative MPs are not allowed to voice their personal opinions, else they get booted from the party like Garth Turner, who spoke against Stephen Harper on his blog (Harper cooked up some idea that he was leaking cabinet secrets).

He was leaking secrets.

Anyway, all Garth Turner cares about is Garth Turner. He's a complete hypocrite.

The Liberals have more recently taken a center-position with a fiscally conservative/socially progressive agenda, but they've endured years of poor leadership, so they may not be back in a majority for some time.

How exactly are the libs fiscally conservative?

You must remember that this is the party of Kyoto, that wants to slap a carbon tax on Alberta.




GuineaPig

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#17 12 years ago
WarHawk109;3551934 How exactly are the libs fiscally conservative? You must remember that this is the party of Kyoto, that wants to slap a carbon tax on Alberta.

Yeah, Liberals aren't conservative with moeny, but he Bush administration is because they've got the word in their ideology... just because the Liberals don't have the word in their name doesn't mean they're not! Which party got us out of the massive debt in the mid-90s? And did they do it by being "Liberal tax-and-spenders"? The Liberals haven't been that liberal since Trudeau, and all the surplus' they've had were spent on reducing national debt.




WarHawk109

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#18 12 years ago
GuineaPig;3552522Yeah, Liberals aren't conservative with moeny, but he Bush administration is because they've got the word in their ideology... just because the Liberals don't have the word in their name doesn't mean they're not!

That was not my suggestion.

My suggestion was that because they support massive wealth transfers through the Kyoto Treaty, as well as punish the west for economic progress, they cannot be fiscally conservative.

Which party got us out of the massive debt in the mid-90s? And did they do it by being "Liberal tax-and-spenders"?

*Ahem*

We are still in massive debt, all they got us out of was a budget deficit, and they did so by shifting the burden to the provinces.

The Liberals haven't been that liberal since Trudeau, and all the surplus' they've had were spent on reducing national debt.

Excuse me?

The used their surpluses to introduce new spending. That's exactly what brought on the 2006 election.

I still don't see how they are at all conservative fiscally.

This is the party of the gun registry, the HRDC boondoggle, and adscam.




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