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Sunray

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#1 11 years ago

Today, I went to my great Grandmother's funeral. She was 100 1/2 so it is by no means unexpected. The point of this thread is not drawing attention to me, but the service, and God. I am a christian. I am confirmed in the Anglican church, but I simply cannot understand some of God/the church's attitudes to death and suicide. I really need someone to explain some things to me, as I am really not at all happy with God at the moment. My first question requires some blurb. My great grandmother has been in a home for the last 4 years. She has gradually deteriarated during that time and 3 years ago was put on steroids to keep her alive. 3 years ago, she was blind, deaf and going senial, however she was not senile enough not to have a converstation or respond. Whenever I went to visit her, she used to frequently break out into sobs of how she was sick of life and wanted to die. It all went downhill from there. On her 100th brithday party she had no idea where she was, no idea who anybody was and kept mistaking me for someone who was not only not a relation but over 70. She died of a chest infection half a year later. But I want to know why a merciful God, who some claim to be all powerful over the world would let someone who was desparate to die suffer for 4 years before claiming them. Some people say we all live for a perpose. What 'perpose' had she not fullfilled so that she had to live a life of complete misery, lacking in dignety and sanity? It seems to me that God had let her down. My faith is really shaken by this. I suppose I think that God does not have any control over what is going on with us. We have to sort it out and God is a bystander. And yet we are told that he is all powerful. Why did something not happen earlier? Why was she made to suffer? And if it is our decision, why was she not allowed to die when she wished with dignety when she still had enough sense to appreciate everyone around her? She wanted to die but was physically unable to do anything about it. Should she not have the basic human right to die when she rightly viewed that her life was at a close? It would have been so easy for her to sign a piece of paper to say "Stop my steroids". That would have ended her suffering so much earlier. There are countless others like her, who want to die when they wish, but cannot. Would it be so difficult to have an independant reviewer to assess if it were necessary? As you can tell, I am not happy. Someone let her down. Why was she made to suffer by one means or another for so long with out devine or human intervention? Who was it? God or the system?




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#2 11 years ago

it is a blessing to live pass 80 years old. How would this effect your faith? Remeber the flesh is weak but the Soul can not be harm. We humans try to avoid death so we'll take all the drugs to prolong it...but in the end nature wins. The way I understand your faith is, that if sometakes there life they are not welcomed in heaven nor burried as a Christian. That your God has the right to take a life away and give life.


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#3 11 years ago

As an atheist my response is probably no shocker..

What she went through was not part of a plan, she wasn't singled out, but she was simply suffering from things that extreme age will sometimes do to a person. I don't think god has anything to do with it, but I understand why you may believe so, and dislike him for it.

I think euthanasia scares people, and it is by no means a simple subject, but I’m of opinion that people should be allowed to die when they wish to. The problem in your case however would have been that.. if she was in the state you say she was in, family members may have had her declared "not sound of mind", and refused to give permission for the procedure, had it been legal.

It must have been tragic, but there would have been no “easy” solution.




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#4 11 years ago

It is awful how keeping people alive for longer than their body can deal with can take away all their dignity. It's wrong to make someone hold on to life in such a case, it's just a display of egoism on the part of those responsible.

As for your faith, it is understandable that it was shaken, but maybe you just started out with the wrong definition of faith. Take a look at agnosticism or deism, I think those theories might help you.




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#5 11 years ago

Euthanasia is a complex matter

On the one hand it might spare hundreds of suffering, on the other--it's to way easy to abuse it.

About your faith. The only think that can help come to terms, either reaffirm yourself, find a new direction or turn away entirely is time. Nothing else.




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#6 11 years ago
Sa Anupuw;3655282it is a blessing to live pass 80 years old. How would this effect your faith? Remeber the flesh is weak but the Soul can not be harm. We humans try to avoid death so we'll take all the drugs to prolong it...but in the end nature wins. The way I understand your faith is, that if sometakes there life they are not welcomed in heaven nor burried as a Christian. That your God has the right to take a life away and give life.

It affects my faith because I am told every time I go to church that God has power over everything. I am told that he is the one that is ultimately responsible for everything. We pray for things and give thanks for them to God for giving them to us, but it seems that God is Bad things have always happened, but I suppose this one was closer to home. I felt that she, as a Christian, had almost been let down by God. She used to say "Dear God, please let me die". The effect that that had on me, hearing someone pleading to God to die, and yet her spending 4 years of her life in misery and torment, seemed simply unfair. I am not saying that God solves everything, I am saying that when we praise God for all the wonderful things he does, and say how wonderful it is that he makes all the good things in life happen, both old and new, what about the bad things? If he is responsible for all the good things, he must logically have a certain amount of control over the bad things. So why would he draw out someone's life if he has control over everything? In the funeral said that God had caller her to him. Why not call just a little earlier? I suppose I am taking this all too much to heart and what the church says a little too literally. If God really did have supreme control and power why would anything bad happen? Maybe we have control, and God is just watching, not interviening. Would make sense...




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#7 11 years ago
Sunray;3655322 I suppose I am taking this all too much to heart and what the church says a little too literally. If God really did have supreme control and power why would anything bad happen? Maybe we have control, and God is just watching, not interviening. Would make sense...

It would, and it's what i used to think when i was still religious. The "loving god" and "everything is his will" don't really get along. Well, not at all actually.




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#8 11 years ago

Before I answer, can I just say I was very sorry to hear of your loss.

Sunray;3655235Today, I went to my great Grandmother's funeral. She was 100 1/2 so it is by no means unexpected. The point of this thread is not drawing attention to me, but the service, and God. I am a christian. I am confirmed in the Anglican church, but I simply cannot understand some of God/the church's attitudes to death and suicide. I really need someone to explain some things to me, as I am really not at all happy with God at the moment. My first question requires some blurb. My great grandmother has been in a home for the last 4 years. She has gradually deteriarated during that time and 3 years ago was put on steroids to keep her alive. 3 years ago, she was blind, deaf and going senial, however she was not senile enough not to have a converstation or respond. Whenever I went to visit her, she used to frequently break out into sobs of how she was sick of life and wanted to die. It all went downhill from there. On her 100th brithday party she had no idea where she was, no idea who anybody was and kept mistaking me for someone who was not only not a relation but over 70. She died of a chest infection half a year later. But I want to know why a merciful God, who some claim to be all powerful over the world would let someone who was desparate to die suffer for 4 years before claiming them. Some people say we all live for a perpose. What 'perpose' had she not fullfilled so that she had to live a life of complete misery, lacking in dignety and sanity?[/quote]

As an atheist, my answer is this - there was no purpose. A more religious person might argue that there was, but we can never know it.

Sunray;3655235And if it is our decision, why was she not allowed to die when she wished with dignety when she still had enough sense to appreciate everyone around her? She wanted to die but was physically unable to do anything about it. Should she not have the basic human right to die when she rightly viewed that her life was at a close? It would have been so easy for her to sign a piece of paper to say "Stop my steroids". That would have ended her suffering so much earlier. There are countless others like her, who want to die when they wish, but cannot. Would it be so difficult to have an independant reviewer to assess if it were necessary?

The bible states that suicide is self-murder. I personally believe active euthanasia should be legalised. However, passive euthanasia is legal in Britain and many othe countries. This means it is legal to sign a "do not recussitate" form. As I don't know the circumstances, I can't really say much else. [quote=Sunray;3655235] As you can tell, I am not happy. Someone let her down. Why was she made to suffer by one means or another for so long with out devine or human intervention? Who was it? God or the system?

I believe it was the system.




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#9 11 years ago
Tas;3655334It would, and it's what i used to think when i was still religious. The "loving god" and "everything is his will" don't really get along. Well, not at all actually.[/quote]Yeah. I am starting to think that the church does kinda "get in the way" of God. It also seems that St. Paul causes a lot of problems in his letters. For instance it is he, not Jesus that had a problem with women. But yes. I really am starting to think God is an observer and we have to do all the work. [quote=Rich19;3655345]The bible states that suicide is self-murder. I personally believe active euthanasia should be legalised. However, passive euthanasia is legal in Britain and many other countries. This means it is legal to sign a "do not recussitate" form. As I don't know the circumstances, I can't really say much else.

I agree that active Euthinasia should be legalized, but I don't quite know how. People in this country that wish to die and have the money fly to clinics abroad to die. I do however think that there should be limitations and reviews if someone should. If doctors are given the power it is a great burden to them to say "yes this person has reason" or "no this person does not have reason" to die. It would put them under even more pressure than before. Maybe a review could be done of the patient that has to be done by 3 medical staff, and the patient (if of sound mind) should sign. As for those without sound mind, I really don't know...




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#10 11 years ago

Sounds to me like it wasn't a matter of euthanasia. Euthanasia is killing someone. In this case, it was a matter of simply NOT giving your grandmother something and letting her die. I know I for one would not ever be put onto any drug that is going to keep me alive without me retaining my dignity and sanity.

That is going in my will.

Edit:And why do you need euthanasia? Pull out a gun and blow your brains out. It will get the job done and you won't have to worry about the cost besides a bullet.(I know this isn't applicable in your Grandmother's case. I'm just saying in general)




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