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#111 10 years ago

elevatormusic;4801476Nope, humans definitely do. What I forgot to add is that ducks do it because of a serious imbalance in the male-female ratio of the population, they can be considered to engage in it because of natural factors while humans... well, there're several theories about that.

As for comparing ducks to humans: one is an animal that operates on an instinctual level, one is an animal with free will and (supposedly) rational thought. Comparing the two doesn't seem logical to me.

I was talking about same sex ducks that just stay together as a pair. But i agree that it makes little sense to compare such animals with humans, we have gone beyond instinct and are no longer controlled by it to such a large degree.




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#112 10 years ago
Inyri Forge;4801480Got a link to that study?

Like I said, I heard it from a relative so I don't know how true it is. It wouldn't surprise me though, since chemicals and hormones play such a huge role in our development.




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#113 10 years ago

It actually doesn't make a lot of sense to me, which is why I wanted to see the study. Normally you would expect testosterone to cause male-like behavior, not female-like.

I googled and found reference of male rats showing submission sexual behavior in the presence of estrogen, not testosterone.




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#114 10 years ago

I wouldn't believe that giving people an overdose of testosteron would make them gay. And the fact that there could be a gay gene that would interest me. But it would probably be a gene that amplifies hormone production anyways, doesn't neccesarily have to be a certified "you have me you turn gay" gene.




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#115 10 years ago
Inyri Forge;4802286It actually doesn't make a lot of sense to me, which is why I wanted to see the study. Normally you would expect testosterone to cause male-like behavior, not female-like. I googled and found reference of male rats showing submission sexual behavior in the presence of estrogen, not testosterone.

Testosterone isn't just a "GRR, I am MAN, bow before me!" hormone; it has a multitude of effects and is present in both sexes as you already know. Women with low testosterone tend to have a correspondingly low sex drive, have trouble losing weight or building muscle, have poor memory, can suffer from depression, and not having enough can even fuck up your skin. There are probably other effects that I can't remember, and they apply to both sexes. Particularly when you consider the libido and mood affecting properties of testosterone, I can somewhat see why such a study could have come about. I'm not sure I would believe it though, as that bows to the stereotypical view of homosexual men and also suggests that there is any solitary thing that you can 'blame' for 'inducing' homosexuality, which I also doubt. It's more likely a large swathe of factors combined, and the environment is possibly implicated in a few cases as well. I'd imagine there are plenty of men with huge amounts of testosterone who are as straight as a ruler, while other testosterone-hogs are as bent as a hairpin. The same is probably true of homosexual women.




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#116 10 years ago

I understand the effects of testosterone on both men and women, but I still have trouble accepting the fact that excess testosterone in men causes homosexuality. It doesn't really make sense. This is why I would like to see the documentation of the study, since I myself found information suggesting the opposite.

Frankly, though, I could never be persuaded (in the absence of hard, scientific proof) that homosexuality is caused by something as simple as an excess of a single hormone.