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-King-

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#1 11 years ago

Not sure how many of you seen this on news but since 3 youngers have been shot in South London the issue of there being no gun control anymore has come out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6363713.stm?ls http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6364529.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5378174.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/1xtra/F1932661?thread=3866559 Seperate shootings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6363303.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6329569.stm This is just the tip of the iceberg that's come out, it's been covered up for a long time. Living in one of these areas and being in the worse I've watched this problem come about over the years. It's got ugly fast and is only getting worse, at the start of this century there were plenty of guns about and a full Black market for it. It was just virtually only part to the older gangsters, youngers could still get their hands on guns from drilled replicas converted to fire live ammo, but would rarely use them. Now guns are flooding the streets, there's a gun factory on every other street in some parts of London and entire arsenals must be getting imported into the city. I don't even mean little nines and such, the stuff some boys have is serious fire power and can get virtually any full automatic gun. Now youngers, boys as young as 13, have easy access to all sorts of real firearms, like a new currency, olders and big gangsters of target young kids to get them involved in gangs and take under wing regularly supply these kids with guns and live ammo for free. It's not just how big the black market is booming, it's also how much worse each generation is getting. Other night I was sitting with some youngers aged about 14 who were talking about how earlier that day had been 'f*cked up' by an older boy who also stole their drugs they were gonna deal, leaving them about £1000 in debt. When I was that age and that sort of stuff happened the most one would do is stab them up, instead they jus plainly came to conclusion to shoot him. At moment if you're a boy and from wrong area and go into another chances are if a group of boys see you, you'll end up getting stabbed. In afew years it's going to be guns instead of knives. What's worse is that to me, it seems like the Goverment is trying to cover it up.

The Met says Trident has been a success - the number of fatal shootings has fallen from 18 in 2004/05 to 15 2005/06. However, the number of non-fatal Trident shootings has increased dramatically over the last two years - from 185 in 2004/05 to 251 in 2005/06.

In the last few months, just in my area I've known of atleast a dozen of Gun fights and drive-bys, mostly killings. 4th this week on Wednesday around corner, Stoke Newington High street, some smalley (notorious estate) boy shot up. Every year I know of almost as many gun fights in Hackney as those statistics, and that's just one part of London - the worst, but South London is almost as bad as Northeast and Guns are all over West and south east now aswell. And that's just London, there are so many other cities in England which must be atleast half as bad. Most of this stuff doesn't even get in the Local news, but stuff still gets in local news that can't beat the most irrelevant things into UK headlines.

This Country is Dieing. Seriously. - No proper Health service, flooded with illegal immigrants (more than millions in a small nation), massive and growing underclass with growing gap to middle class (riots waiting to happen), Not enough Prisons, Worst and most Violent youth in Western world, Washed up and useless Goverment, Out of control Gang wars turning into full Territory wars in an inner city!! And no Gun control.

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BTW, they're planning on holding the Olympics next to Hackney, hope a lot of tourists have fun.




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#2 11 years ago

If they are gonna hold Olymics next to Hackney you can bet the powers that be will make a sweep through there that will make the British Army's sweep through Basra look like a practice session.

This thread is likely to start another gun debate thread but all I can say is if the demand wasnt there they wouldnt be selling them like that.

One problem is too many sleazy unscrupulous gun dealers who should not be in business and people who "circumvent" the law to acquire that which they could not legally buy.

Not sure how it is in UK but in US it seems all the gang/gun violence is related to the immigrants and ethnic gangs.




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#3 11 years ago

Without any control the situation would be just as bad or worse, so blaming gun-control for increased violence isn't a very logical thing to do. Besides, it is obvious that a ban of weapons increases the problems over a short term, but if you look at long-term statistics for countries who have strict gun-controls in place it is easy to see that it is quite good at reducing the number of crimes comitted with firearms. The problem is that "long term" means the time from now until a weapons which are now on the market will be out of the hands of crimials.

To effectively reduce violence over a long term a number of things are necessary, gun-control being one of them.

Anlushac11;3538727 Not sure how it is in UK but in US it seems all the gang/gun violence is related to the immigrants and ethnic gangs.

Violence is usually related to lower social classes, so it might be the same in other countries.




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#4 11 years ago

Wasnt trying to say gun control was bad.

I was trying to say that there is a social problem that is creating a demand for guns strong enough that people are setting up shops to build illegal guns and modify replicas, a most danerous move as replicas arent designed to handle chamber pressures of live ammo.




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#5 11 years ago

Well now that this has happened they've finally decided to put armed police on the streets, and i think they need to, i live in stoke newington and where i live theres been shootings and stabbings all around my house, the worst being a drive-by right next to a local primary school, in broad daylight, imagine if children had been in the playground at that time! Its messed up and needs to be sorted out soon before a child does die.




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#6 11 years ago

Putting out armed police won't help. That's fighting fire with fire and we all know you can't put out a fire with fire. The kids with the guns are probably happy that the police have guns now so there's more risk in killing people. Don't forget these weirdos get turned on by high risk factors. What we really need is to literally use man-power to frisk every kid that hangs out on the street and to offer throw money at them until they tell the police where the weapons are being bought from. Just putting up a shield, so to speak, will only enfuriate the criminals even more. Perhaps if the police used their brains instead of their dicks to get things done then no more kids will get shot.




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#7 11 years ago

Anlushac11;3538880Wasnt trying to say gun control was bad.

I was trying to say that there is a social problem that is creating a demand for guns strong enough that people are setting up shops to build illegal guns and modify replicas, a most danerous move as replicas arent designed to handle chamber pressures of live ammo.

My response was mostly directed at -King-, I agree with your point.

There were similar problems in Germany not long after strict gun-regulations were introduced, some killers simply build guns themselves.

Not sure why they stopped doing that, maybe they have different sources for weapons now that borders to many other countries are open.




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#8 11 years ago
DnC;3539077Putting out armed police won't help. That's fighting fire with fire and we all know you can't put out a fire with fire. The kids with the guns are probably happy that the police have guns now so there's more risk in killing people. Don't forget these weirdos get turned on by high risk factors. What we really need is to literally use man-power to frisk every kid that hangs out on the street and to offer throw money at them until they tell the police where the weapons are being bought from. Just putting up a shield, so to speak, will only enfuriate the criminals even more. Perhaps if the police used their brains instead of their dicks to get things done then no more kids will get shot.

That would never work in my country, but the British don't seem to mind having their privacy and personal space invaded so much as to get the politicians to stop with the nonsense laws. I don't know if you've ever tried to kill someone (I haven't either) but I'm sure you don't want the police involved. The cops should be allowed to carry guns if they choose. Sometimes the only way to stop violence is with violence, resolving issues before they start are good but what happens when someone won't stop until they can't? I heard Britain were about to ban knives except for business, including kitchen knives with long and pointy blades (which many useful knives have).