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#21 2 years ago
"Adrian Ţepeş"I still believe people shouldn't have children.  But since I'm not ruler of the universe, I think limits should be imposed based on household income as well as assigning classes in basic psychology and physiology.  After that as long as you're not an asshole and can actually devote time to your little rugrats, be my guest.

Why do you believe that people shouldn't have children? Surely that's just the death of the human race?


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#22 2 years ago

Well yeah that's just an exaggeration.  You still have to have continuance of the species, but there's nothing wrong with doing ones best to make sure your offspring aren't born into a losing struggle.  It just plain aggravates me seeing all these people my own age getting pregnant with virtually no money and no real prospects.  We here in America have a really strange sort of blase attitude towards unplanned pregnancy like it's a special thing.  I'm sorry, but no.  You literally have screwed yourself over and are now going to have to sacrifice your hopes and dreams in favor of raising a child provided you don't give it up for adoption. 


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#23 2 years ago

You're assuming people are logically going after fairly high-level goals that align with their hopes and dreams. In my experience - which at this point covers a similar conversation with several thousand people in a professional context - that's not the case. Most people are just... making do. They like people so they hook up with them. They're not sacrificing something that's real, they're sacrificing something they don't know about off in an uncertain future in favour of a little warmth in the present.

That's... not necessarily a stupid thing to do if you don't have a passion to hand. To take what measure of human warmth is available to you.




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#24 2 years ago

I'm not saying people should become monks free from romantic and sexual relationships, only that you take measures to avoid unnecessary burdens.  I realize there are people whose primary goal is to raise a family and that's fine, but certain actions should be taken to ensure proper preparedness, insofar as you can be prepared to raise another human being from 1-18.  And even if you don't have a passion, that sort of responsibility severely limits your opportunities to find them or look for them.  Further, if you were of an insufficient level of motivation such that even holding down a job is a challenge...that's really not someone I'd think would be a very good parent.


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#25 2 years ago

On this argument, I truly wish that we could do the seahorse thing and just let you guys carry to term, the idea of the whole process of pregnancy is both incredible, and quite simply you become an altered organism which puts a large amount of stress on the body and mind.  You lose self esteem as your body image changes, you lose yourself as people try to feel your belly that you don't even know, you're could be sick, hurting, full of different hormones changing the way your mind works.  It is not a comfortable process for most. 

Thankfully I've only been an observer at this point.  

While I disagree that outside of a private environment men should have a say in if an abortion should be performed or not, I do agree that they should have a way to opt out of parental rights rather than simply ghost and neglect the relationship.  In a perfect world an agreement would be signed prior to the event regarding parental responsibility.  However it's not a perfect world, and sometimes father's who started all in and need to leave for whatever reason shouldn't be able to leave the woman high and dry if the agreement was to help support her.  It's such a shame that many people can't be civil and do abuse this system, but until we have mind reading technology for attestations of responsibility after the fact, it's the best we have.


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