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AlDaja

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#1 12 years ago

The ACLU (American Civil Liberty Union) also known to some (jokingly) as the Anti-Christian Lawyers Union and the American Communist Lawyers Union tends to place itself on a pedestal so high as to presume they are untouchable and can dictate to all us “commoners” how we should react or act in society. Many TV/Radio commentators and politicians have begun to actively speak out about this once benign yet growing organization that recruits heavy hitters of question into its ranks. Some on the political right have recently charged them as being the modern American NAZI movement against white people; especially those who dare worship the Christian God. Moderate Republicans and Democrats have suggested that they are gaining too much political power; even though they are suppose to be a non-profit non-aligned civil organization. Recently I heard a famous Independent talk show host, Michael Savage suggest that the sedition and Ricco statutes should be reinstated and organizations like the ACLU should be tried for offering aid to enemies and/or non-citizens of the United States and for constantly attempting to breakdown our societies moral foundations and constitutional rights. Has this once honorable institution lost its way, has radical progressive-leftist elements within its walls misled its founding charter? Seems that way…




D.Sporky!

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#2 12 years ago

Once again, I completely agree with you. The ACLU is WAY out of hand, and pisses me off on a daily basis.




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#3 12 years ago

This is one of the organizations that make leftists look bad... Damn you, ACLU!




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#4 12 years ago

Yes, they don't protect rights, only eliminate them.




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#5 12 years ago

Don't reinstate Sedition acts. Sedition laws are a heinous way for the government to supress free speech, as was the case with a right-wing activist here just a few months ago.




AlDaja

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#6 12 years ago
masked_marsoe;3381230Don't reinstate Sedition acts. Sedition laws are a heinous way for the government to supress free speech, as was the case with a right-wing activist here just a few months ago.

I agree, I don't think they should be reinstated...period. But what to we do when organizations use loop-holes to get at us all. Government also has a responsibility to thwart organizations that covertly undermine our society.




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#7 12 years ago
The ACLU (American Civil Liberty Union) also known to some (jokingly) as the Anti-Christian Lawyers Union and the American Communist Lawyers Union [...]

Yawn.

[...]tends to place itself on a pedestal so high as to presume they are untouchable and can dictate to all us “commoners” how we should react or act in society.

They want society changed? They react when people disagree with them? Boo-hoo.

If you really followed that reasoning, you should hate Amnesty, the Red Cross, and most animal shelters, too. All of which try to change society so that it is more to their liking. Or is it only wrong when they disagree with you that it's wrong?

Some on the political right have recently charged them as being the modern American NAZI movement against white people [...]

Yawn again.

[...] especially those who dare worship the Christian God.

The ACLU has been working hard to allow students to organize prayers in extra-curricular settings. Just that they recognize that prayer in school and "Under God" is unconstitutional doesn't mean they're against "those who worship the Christian God". Or do you have specific examples?

Recently I heard a famous Independent talk show host, Michael Savage suggest that the sedition and Ricco statutes should be reinstated and organizations like the ACLU should be tried for offering aid to enemies and/or non-citizens of the United States and for constantly attempting to breakdown our societies moral foundations and constitutional rights.

Pretty harsh accusations. I'm sure you can back them up with examples and sources.

As for "societies moral foundations and constitutional rights", that comes up every time someone tries to change society. Everything from slavery and the denial of womens' right to vote, to the obstruction of inter-racial marriage have been hailed as "moral foundations and constitutional rights" by their defendants. The ban of inter-racial marriage was once "one of the principles America was founded on" and "the only natural way to marry". The sound you hear is me yawning at the cliché.

Furthermore, I find the idea that he wants them tried for "attempting to break down morals" to be preposterous. He really wants dissenters to go to court for speaking their mind? When did utilizing freedom of speech become illegal, I wonder.

But what to we do when organizations use loop-holes to get at us all.

Once again, you single out one offender out of many. It's like having a dozen pedophiles in your neighborhood and disliking only one of them for it.




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#8 12 years ago
Safe-Keeper;3382318 They want society changed? They react when people disagree with them? Boo-hoo.

Question for you: If there the ACLU was a religious organization trying to change society (Putting up the 10 commandments instead of tearing them down, legalizing prayer sessions, ect.), would you be so complacent about it? I doubt it.

If you really followed that reasoning, you should hate Amnesty, the Red Cross, and most animal shelters, too. All of which try to change society so that it is more to their liking. Or is it only wrong when they disagree with you that it's wrong?

Those groups are the exact opposite of the ACLU. Those groups try to make sure everybody gets their constitutional freedoms (Though I think its a little silly to give them to animals). On the other hand, the ACLU is trying to take away Constitutional rights from people.

The ACLU has been working hard to allow students to organize prayers in extra-curricular settings. Just that they recognize that prayer in school and "Under God" is unconstitutional doesn't mean they're against "those who worship the Christian God". Or do you have specific examples?

If a teacher approached you and told you that you aren't allowed to talk about evolution and global warming on the campus, I bet you'd be pretty pissed off.

As for "societies moral foundations and constitutional rights", that comes up every time someone tries to change society. Everything from slavery and the denial of womens' right to vote, to the obstruction of inter-racial marriage have been hailed as "moral foundations and constitutional rights" by their defendants. The ban of inter-racial marriage was once "one of the principles America was founded on" and "the only natural way to marry". The sound you hear is me yawning at the cliché.

Its funny, just a moment ago you said public expression of religion was... what was the word? Oh yes, "unconstitutional". Seems you also like to use this "cliche".

Furthermore, I find the idea that he wants them tried for "attempting to break down morals" to be preposterous. He really wants dissenters to go to court for speaking their mind? When did utilizing freedom of speech become illegal, I wonder.

Funny, you approve of the ACLU restricting people's abilities to utilize freedom of speech, yet when someone proposes using the same tactic on ACLU, you're all up in arms.

Once again, you single out one offender out of many. It's like having a dozen pedophiles in your neighborhood and disliking only one of them for it.

I see. From now on, whenever you critique Bush's actions, I'll accuse you of "singling out" a politician.:p




AlDaja

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#9 12 years ago

You beat me to the punch...thanks!




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#10 12 years ago

And once again, MA is completely right.