OK. So noone is willing so far to say they thingk the Muslim idea of heven is a good thing. Noted.
Now how about these dorks that say they don't believe in God but are here defending a religion that teaches that little boys anf girls are sex toys in the afterlife?
Who's going to say they believe in God?
There are only 3 things you can do to either redeem yourself or clarify yourself in this debate: To clarify yourself: 1. You may state clearly that you think the debauchery of pimping-out children for perverse and homosexual gratifications in heaven is a richeous theology and therefore the Muslim faith and theolody is reigheous. 2. You may state clearly that you feel that the debauchery of pimping-out children for perverse and homosexual gratifications are immoral and therefore the Muslim faith and Quran is based upon perversions. 3. Admit that because you do not believe in God, as some of you defending this filthy religion have already stated, and then stop debating because as an atheist your opinion is irrelevant. You may chose only one of these three. Anything else you post about it will naturally imply that you are defending the debauchery of pimping-out children for perverse and homosexual gratifications as stated in the Quran and Muslim religion, and therefore it can be summized that you approve of them and would desire to partake in them yourselves. Make your selection.
ElderMan;3450495 3. Admit that because you do not believe in God, as some of you defending this filthy religion have already stated, and then stop debating because as an atheist your opinion is irrelevant.
Allah IS god, dipshit. Christians and Muslims worship the same god. As an agnostic or athiest, our opinion isn't irrelevant. Are you claiming that we cannot have an interest in theology? If so, you are dead wrong, cupcake.
I hate to bust your bullshit but there are similarities between the Bible and the Koran. Hell, the Koran even mentions Jesus in it.
I pretend I'm cooler than AzH
3rd September 2005
Allah is just god in arabic. jesus is a important prophet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_of_Jesus
ElderMan;34504953. Admit that because you do not believe in God, as some of you defending this filthy religion have already stated, and then stop debating because as an atheist your opinion is irrelevant.
I surely won't follow the commandment of an atheist in disguise (who doesn't obey his own rules) ;).
There is nothing wrong with people who live a modest religious life. The only thing I fear more than religious fundamentalists are fanatic atheists who try to delude people and justify everything with their logic / ideology. They are responsible for the deaths of more people than any "holy war" has caused by now.
7th March 2003
Go somewhere else if you want to trade insults (that means you Jeffro). Keep the tone clean or sod off.
ElderManWhat blasphemy? I do not condemn MY God. I condemn the Muslim religion and whatever "god" they are worshipping with their love of yourng boy's anuses and virgin children as sex toys line up on couches, as the quran states. Is that YOUR god? Pimping out little kids for sex in heaven?
Can you say Christian priests and their little choir boys? (the leaders of your much vaunted Christian faith)
Don't throw stones when you yourself live in a glass house.
czech speacial forces;3450264homosexuality is a death sentence in saudi arabia. wtf are you talking about?[/quote] Go back and read the previous page. The Quran states that heaven includes lines of couches on which pubescent kids sit and wait to be selected for sexual gratification by male adults. It also states that there will be little boys there that are good for "mounting". So far, it seems like several people here either support the idea because they are defending it, or are too puss to admit what the Quran says is imoral and dispicable.Jeffro;3450504Allah IS god, dipshit. Christians and Muslims worship the same god.[/quote] Nope. God is not a pimp. He does not have pubescent kids lined up in heaven to be sexually molested, as stated in the Quran. This is not God.What delusion? Are you claiming that the passages I quoted are not in the Quran? PLEASE say they aren't so you can be punked about it. PLEASE. [quote='Dreadnought[DK];3450609']Can you say Christian priests and their little choir boys? (the leaders of your much vaunted Christian faith)Jeffro;3450504I hate to bust your bullshit but there are similarities between the Bible and the Koran. Hell, the Koran even mentions Jesus in it.[/quote] Nowhere in the Bible are there passages that state that heven has kids as sex toys, as does the Quran.You've already learned that I am a Christian. You just don't like it. Too bad. [quote=Mephistopheles;3450554]There is nothing wrong with people who live a modest religious life. The only thing I fear more than religious fundamentalists are fanatic atheists who try to delude people and justify everything with their logic / ideology.czech speacial forces;3450524Allah is just god in arabic. jesus is a important prophet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_of_JesusNope. He is the judge of mankind. Without his approval, you will not see God. [quote=Mephistopheles;3450554]I surely won't follow the commandment of an atheist in disguise (who doesn't obey his own rules) .
Can you say the Bible does not have a depiction of heven as a place for men to sexually molest children, as does the Quran? Can you say, "I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm here to defend a religion that teaches the molestation of children."?
It seems to me that those of you who are attacking me about what the Quran says are defending it. Do none of you have the courage to say that what the Quran says is evil and immoral? Do none of you think it is eveil and immoral?
For the Emperor! Knights of Caliban!
16th March 2004
some could say the bible is evil and immoral. No one is attacking you as you put, you just can't accept other people faith for you think your faith is right and others are wrong any YOU attack others peoples faith for you are blind all you can see in your narrow view is this: Claims that Christianity is the one true religion have led Christians to fight wars to enforce their belief in an "unwilling, heathen world". Critics have also noted the prevalence of warfare in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. Linguist and political writer Noam Chomsky has argued that the Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history.
After the establishment of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire under emperor Theodosius I, the state acted to persecute rival beliefs which challenged the supremacy of the established church, which thus became increasingly intolerant of dissent. The state issued decrees intended to oppress or eradicate not only pagans (including adherents of the older Roman religion and of sects such as Manichaeism) but also Christian groups regarded as heretical (such as Arians and sects influenced by Gnosticism). The most prominent of these decrees is the so-called Theodosian decree which ordered the destruction of all pagan temples (Judaism was exempt), and resulted in the burning of the Serapeum of Alexandria. The state aimed to "suppress all rival religions, order the closing of the temples, and impose fines, confiscation, imprisonment or death upon any who cling to the older Pagan religions." Sanctions included confiscation of property, destruction of religious writings, exile, and sometimes execution. The Roman state church also tolerated acts of violence against Jewish synagogues (see Christianity and anti-Semitism).
The idea that heretics should be punishable by death continued to be supported by some later Christian writers, such as the 13th-century scholar Thomas Aquinas, who held that heretics "deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death", ST II:II 11:3). During the Reformation period, both sides in the conflict thought it appropriate to execute heretics: the radical theologian Michael Servetus was condemned to death by the Roman Catholic authorities, but actually executed by the Protestant authorities in Geneva.
Historical persecution by Christians was also focused on other Christians such as the Cathars in the Albigensian crusade. Inquisitions were also used against domestic populations, to eliminate individuals who expressed divergent opinions. Atrocities committed by the state in the name of Christianity have historically gone hand-in-hand with pogroms by the populace, leading to horrific massacres, such as St. Bartholomew's Day massacre carried out by a Catholic mob against Protestants. Christian mobs, sometimes with government support, have targeted non-Christians. Examples include the destruction of pagan temples and murder of the philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria by a Christian mob.
Christian fundamentalists often use passages in the Bible to criticize homosexuality, and because of the influence of such biblical teachings during the Middle Ages, for centuries, homosexual acts were punishable in Europe by death. Even today, Christian groups, particularly in America, are accused of being at the forefront of homophobia, with extremists such as the Westboro Baptist Church picketing the funerals of murdered homosexuals.
British environmental activist George Monbiot has also argued that Christian fundamentalists are driving the United States's current foreign policy in a misguided effort to hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, to the detriment of all concerned.
oh boy wow isn't being christain soooo much fun?
[color=#000000][size=2][b][i]Heralds of the coming doom, Like the cry of the Raven, we are drawn, This oath of war and vengeance, On a blade of exalted iron sworn, With blood anointed swords
ElderMan;3450911You've already learned that I am a Christian. You just don't like it. Too bad.[/quote] No, I just don't like atheists pretending to be Christians to Melee up the Pub. I won't continue this discussion with you as I can't take you serious. Unfortunately, because at least some of your arguments are valid.
I think you know what I am talking about.