Heaven's gonna burn your eyes
16th April 2005
For those Poms here and political junkies, you've probably been watching the latest series of by-elections in the UK. The Conservatives snatched Labour safe-seat Crewe with a 17% swing.
Next in line was Henly, Boris Johnson's old seat. Now, Henly has been Conservative since the dawn of time, it was won once in 1886 by an indepedent, and once by a Liberal in 1906, neither lasted a second term. So the question was not will the Tories win, but by how much.
In reality, they only increased their vote by a small amount, some 3%. The Lib Dems also increased their vote, by nearly 2%.
But the biggest surprise was Labour, which dropped 11%, and has slumped into third - behind the Greens and BNP.
Gordon Brown must be very pleased indeed.
Waffle-Sprocket is broke
24th November 2003
I know i am certainly pleased :)
I didn't make it!
yeah same here cant wait for the elections so i can vote out gordon dont trust him at all to run the country
I chose an eternity of this
6th January 2005
There is an unsettling trend towards the right in most of Europe. It's almost like a pendulum: you have a center-left party in charge, at the end everybody is unhappy, and vote for the right. After their term, they're unhappy again, go back and repeat.
Not little. Not a monkey.
28th May 2008
Back in the 90s here in Blighty we had this Conservative Government.
They were hated. If you didn't hate them, you were mentally ill. I hated them. Everyone hated them. I remember getting very drunk the day Maggie Thatcher got ousted. We blundered on with her successor, Major, but by 1997 everyone just wanted the back of them because of all the awfule things they had done to the country and it's people.
So everyone voted for the other side, New Labour, the socialist party, "interventionist liberal" as Tony Blair described it.
Things couldn't get any worse, we figured. Those nasty conservatives had been taking liberties (away), they'd been the party of big business, etc.
We got Tony Blair, the interventionist liberal who built a massive, illiberal surveillance state. New Labour, who have just ramped up detention before charge to 42 days. War in Iraq based on lies. Banned protesting near parliament. Who completed the task begun by Thatcher of turning the police into the political class's private army. Put 3000 new criminal offences on the statute books. Introduced "anti terrorist" surveillance measures including phone and internet tapping, which are now routinely used by zillions of officials to spy on ordinary citizens for minor infractions. And are busy censoring the internet (they're about to make hentai illegal, for instance; although I have to say Good riddance to that as it makes me ill).
It's not conservatives that are the problem, though conservatives are one of the problems. It's authoritarians of any stripe. They can come from the left or the right, and politics attracts them like shit attracts flies.
The problem in a two party system is you're in the frying pan, you fucking hate it in the frying pan, and then the Fire Party turns up, and you vote for them just to get out of the fucking frying pan. And so it goes.
The past 20 years of British political history made me a libertarian. It'd do the same to anyone.
Of course everyone's anti-labour now. And after 10-15 years of the Conservatives we will all be anti-Conservative again.
8th April 2005
Karst It's almost like a pendulum: you have a center-left party in charge, at the end everybody is unhappy, and vote for the right. After their term, they're unhappy again, go back and repeat.[/QUOTE] Well that of course depends how the center-right/rightist governments do their job in the eyes of the people.
[quote=liddlemonkey]The problem in a two party system is you're in the frying pan, you fucking hate it in the frying pan, and then the Fire Party turns up, and you vote for them just to get out of the fucking frying pan. And so it goes.
Luckily there's some hope left in the UK to become a multi-party system some day, it all depends how well the Liberal Democrats are doing as the Conservatives and Labour are just happy on two-party system.
I chose an eternity of this
6th January 2005
Relander;4405289Well that of course depends how the center-right/rightist governments do their job in the eyes of the people.
Of course, but there are few noteworthy historical cases of a single party holding a large number of consecutive office terms. Usually people grow weary of a party after a while, and how well they did their job in the eyes of the public determines how long it takes.
2nd October 2006
masked_marsoe;4404896 But the biggest surprise was Labour, which dropped 11%, and has slumped into third - behind the Greens and BNP.
I can't help but smirk. It seems people I talk to recently seem to be very BNP supportive, all this hate for labour and immigration has sure changed us in these few years. It's our fear that you cannot regonize Britain anymore from it's culture, and we quite a traditionalist folk.