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#21 7 years ago

Nemmerle;5547359History is written by the victors. And by everyone else. A victory - military or economic in nature - grants you control of the local information infrastructure; the authorised means of publishing - news, print media, radio, to a certain degree the internet. Your version of the truth will have short-term dominance in those arenas.

That is not, however, to say that this is the sole version that the ages will hear. Others will write in diaries, others will post on the internet - and so on and so forth.

Unless you completely annihilate your enemy, destroy all the evidence of having done so. And have such a great degree of control over your own men who did the deeds that none of them tell the truth. And have such a great control over your society that none of your scholars who might work the information out or be privy to it in some way write about it.... Keeping the secret is not likely to happen.

What you are suggesting - in saying that victors write history - is essentially that they can cover up crime on a national scale. And that implies a structure to society that is so exacting that - well frankly if you had that kind of control you wouldn't NEED to cover it up.

I'm sure history does get slanted depending on the source you go to - I'm sure that we don't know everything that's going on in the world.... hell you just have to look at the news and start comparing their stories to see the BS. But to simplify that to a single account doesn't seem useful.

I agree for the most part. An exception is a situation where the majority of the people involved in the events have a strong incentive to cover up the facts though. A good example are the atrocities of WW2. Even though they are well studied now it took a long time to uncover all the information we have, mostly because a lot of information was in the hands of those who committed the atrocities and who were unwilling to let others know. Even though you can't hide the facts it is often enough to have public opinion on your side. Revisionism is widespread not only because of the fear of those responsible but also because political groups that rely on nationalist sentiments stand to gain a lot from blending out some uncomfortable facts.




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#22 7 years ago

I think an example closer to modern times of some historical slanting- and not from the "usual" suspects, can be found with Texas and the social studies reforms. There was a thread I did on it earlier, pursued by particular groups who want to encourage a certain interpretation of Texas and American history that suited their "exceptionalism" standpoint. Even in the process ignoring people with actual credentials to make curriculum and consult people whose expert is in the history itself.




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#23 7 years ago
Commissar MercZ;5548800I think an example closer to modern times of some historical slanting- and not from the "usual" suspects, can be found with Texas and the social studies reforms. There was a thread I did on it earlier, pursued by particular groups who want to encourage a certain interpretation of Texas and American history that suited their "exceptionalism" standpoint. Even in the process ignoring people with actual credentials to make curriculum and consult people whose expert is in the history itself.

You don't even have to go back as far as the civil war. Iraq, Vietnam, even WW2 are all subject to some form of revisionism in the US. In other countries you have different groups who spread their revisionist version of history with varying degrees of success. E.g. Japan and atrocities in China, many European countries and their collaboration with the Nazis, Russia and its history of Stalinist atrocities, Germany and the GDR...




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#24 7 years ago

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