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crisissuit3

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#1 7 years ago

This kind of stems off of nemmerle's communities thread.

Basically what would the world be like if all of our minds were connected. What would be the best kind of "system." would we be like ants, the workers, soldiers, and queens. All working for the betterment of the Hive. (here's where I get nerdy) or could we be psychically connected like the protoss, we have basic individuality except we know all the thoughts and feelings of everyone near you.

I like the Hive idea because this is ALL of humanity working toward a single goal, the ensure the survival of our species. Although, we would probably all be the same in terms of emotions.

But the protoss way, we have some sense of individuality. We could easily understand the pains and happiness of each other. Psychologically, we could help a lot of depressed, angry people.

Of course we have all the people who say "I think of some stuff I don't want you guys to know!" Unless you're planning on killing somebody, I'm pretty sure we would understand where your kangaroo fetish kicked in. It would bring in a huge age of understanding each other.

What do you guys think, is there another system out there that could work too?




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#2 7 years ago

^^Wasn't that how the whole "Borg" thing began? I don't know, it would honestly terrify me if the world was like that. Progression of a human ideal of thought and individuality would not occur as blatantly and as uniquely as we see it today.

I like your reasoning behind the idea, the possible consequences are what scare me :P


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#3 7 years ago

Considering the model of ants and bees, progression could be stifled. Ants and bees have not changed since they formed as a species system-wise. That is why I'd think progress would be stifled. Now if we had the conception to make technology [the queen(s) of the hive actually] then we'd have some progression to further the goals of the hive.

The funny thing is, we humans already act in such a manner, but at an individual level. People who are strong willed become our queen (using the model and applying it to how we are today) and we work under them. We do have a disconnect about serving each other, but in the end we do exactly that with the economic systems of the world and doing work. I see the differences, but I see some similarities that would already make us hive-like.

We would fall under the category of the Protoss in your post.




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#4 7 years ago

MoreGun89;5573196 I like your reasoning behind the idea, the possible consequences are what scare me :P[/QUOTE] sorry, wasn't a star trek fan, please elaborate.

[QUOTE=Raptor_101;5573204]Considering the model of ants and bees, progression could be stifled. Ants and bees have not changed since they formed as a species system-wise. That is why I'd think progress would be stifled. Now if we had the conception to make technology [the queen(s) of the hive actually] then we'd have some progression to further the goals of the hive.

The funny thing is, we humans already act in such a manner, but at an individual level. People who are strong willed become our queen (using the model and applying it to how we are today) and we work under them. We do have a disconnect about serving each other, but in the end we do exactly that with the economic systems of the world and doing work. I see the differences, but I see some similarities that would already make us hive-like.

We would fall under the category of the Protoss in your post.

But with the protoss, they are connected by mind. we are not, I cannot read your mind and know what makes you happy or sad. But, if I could we could help each other through incredibly tough times.

But on a bigger scale, knowledge could be easily shared, instead of spending years in a school, information is given directly to your mind by a mind that is a lot smarter than you. Everyone would know everything about physics.

To go back to the Hive theory, I suppose we could give leadership to only the brightest. Everyone in the lower levels focus on their work and ONLY their work, not to worry about international affairs or doubting your leader, just do your work. While you work, your leader (queen) would be doing everything in its power to progress your hive to something more.

It sounds a lot like a dictatorship but there isn't some retard with a giant ego leading.




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#5 7 years ago

crisissuit3;5573159Of course we have all the people who say "I think of some stuff I don't want you guys to know!" Unless you're planning on killing somebody, I'm pretty sure we would understand where your kangaroo fetish kicked in. It would bring in a huge age of understanding each other.[/QUOTE]

People don't keep secrets for the sake of keeping secrets. We all have a public life and a private life. It's the secret life that defines us.

[QUOTE=crisissuit3;5573159]What do you guys think, is there another system out there that could work too?

I don't see a problem with the current system.=p




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#6 7 years ago

Over time everything the lives dies. I don't particularly care if humanity is around in a few thousand years time - one day it almost certainly won't be. There are things I would like to be around in a few thousand years time and humanity would probably be involved in them - but I care about it as a means, not an end.

I don't see that your society aims at anything worth having. Survival for survival's sake is meaningless.

Besides, it's all very well to understand but understanding and agreeing are not the same thing. People do not function entirely rationally, they function based on feeling and all sorts of skewed processes. I suspect that someone who believed in god would still believe even if they knew through telepathy what it felt like not to and had access to all the arguments not to. The evidence wouldn't matter. The only difference would be that they'd know who didn't - so when they got around to having another inquisition they could track us all down and try to kill us again.

Christ - imagine what they'd be able to do to their kids. You don't believe in god you demonic little shit.

Arguably there are more people who don't believe in God in Europe than who do so we'd probably band together and kill the more extreme fanatics but still.... It seems a lot of bloodshed for relatively little return.

And there are other crazy people in the world - not just religious ones. Super-nationalists, probably more sociopaths than we'd care to believe since the smart ones will be smart enough to keep more or less off the radar ... What about schizophrenics? If they see images of nightmares will those around them too?

What about people with Aspberger's and others with exotic neurologies? What about narcoleptics? Would they make everyone around them feel sleepy? Would the world blow up when women had that time of the month =p

I'm not entirely sure how you think that the telepathy part of it would work. If it's voluntary then there goes a lot of the rationale behind it ensuring honesty - and if it's not... there are thoughts and feelings out there that are actively dangerous to the thinker.




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#7 7 years ago

Nemmerle;5573352Over time everything the lives dies. I don't particularly care if humanity is around in a few thousand years time - one day it almost certainly won't be. There are things I would like to be around in a few thousand years time and humanity would probably be involved in them - but I care about it as a means, not an end.

I don't see that your society aims at anything worth having. Survival for survival's sake is meaningless.

Isn't that kind of what we're doing now? living just for the sake of living. I'm just saying that this could make it a little... better?

Besides, it's all very well to understand but understanding and agreeing are not the same thing. People do not function entirely rationally, they function based on feeling and all sorts of skewed processes. I suspect that someone who believed in god would still believe even if they knew through telepathy what it felt like not to and had access to all the arguments not to. The evidence wouldn't matter. The only difference would be that they'd know who didn't - so when they got around to having another inquisition they could track us all down and try to kill us again.

Christ - imagine what they'd be able to do to their kids. You don't believe in god you demonic little shit.

You're dividing people into super religious and non religious it looks like. Yes there will be people who think like that but that would probably be a very small group. But we have the in between people who will look at their religious friend and go "Wtf?"

And there are other crazy people in the world - not just religious ones. Super-nationalists, probably more sociopaths than we'd care to believe since the smart ones will be smart enough to keep more or less off the radar ... What about schizophrenics? If they see images of nightmares will those around them too?

What about people with Aspberger's and others with exotic neurologies? What about narcoleptics? Would they make everyone around them feel sleepy? Would the world blow up when women had that time of the month =p

touche and fucking lol!

I'm not entirely sure how you think that the telepathy part of it would work. If it's voluntary then there goes a lot of the rationale behind it ensuring honesty - and if it's not... there are thoughts and feelings out there that are actively dangerous to the thinker.

what kind of dangers are you think of?




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#8 7 years ago

When he said dangerous to the thinker he may have meant suicidal thoughts. Not even extreme as that, but self hating without suicide.




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#9 7 years ago
Schofield;5573768When he said dangerous to the thinker he may have meant suicidal thoughts. Not even extreme as that, but self hating without suicide.

well, with the ant theory (I'm just gonna call it that) there is no time for self-hating when you have that new tunnel that needs to be built.

as for the Protoss theory, (this is a little more difficult to explain because this is just based off of a game) everyone around the depressed guy would know that, that guy is depressed and in need of help. So it would be a kind of therapy session. I'm guessing you can say that under this theory, you are always aware of a persons state of mind (this idea is open to change of course).




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#10 7 years ago

crisissuit3;5573771well, with the ant theory (I'm just gonna call it that) there is no time for self-hating when you have that new tunnel that needs to be built.[/QUOTE]

That sounds like a very dull life then. I'm pretty sure I'd want to kill myself if I had to be constantly working.

[QUOTE=crisissuit3;5573771]as for the Protoss theory, (this is a little more difficult to explain because this is just based off of a game) everyone around the depressed guy would know that, that guy is depressed and in need of help. So it would be a kind of therapy session. I'm guessing you can say that under this theory, you are always aware of a persons state of mind (this idea is open to change of course).

It also makes it easier for people to get you down if they find out what's bothering you. And that's the thing that'll probably happen more often.




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