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Joe Bonham

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#1 12 years ago

In response to the Lebanon scuffle, the EU has responded in force - sending the largest European fleet ever seen since WWII.

http://eupolitics.einnews.com/spain/?offset=25

Apparently it has a motley assortment of ships - the largest of which is a small aircraft carrier from the Brits, and France's new helicopter carrier.

Alright, it doesn't quite live up to the Holy League... in fact, I'm not sure what these toys are expected to accomplish.

That's about all modern European armies do - flex their questionable biceps, and then scurry away if the fighting heats up again.

The question is, why are they even bothering to continue funding these little militaries? Europe is a fine place to live and work - but let's face it, the Germans aren't marching across the Rhine any time soon.




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#2 12 years ago

Machiavelli's ApprenticeIn response to the Lebanon scuffle, the EU has responded in force - sending the largest European fleet ever seen since WWII.

http://eupolitics.einnews.com/spain/?offset=25

Apparently it has a motley assortment of ships - the largest of which is a small aircraft carrier from the Brits, and France's new helicopter carrier.

Alright, it doesn't quite live up to the Holy League... in fact, I'm not sure what these toys are expected to accomplish.

That's about all modern European armies do - flex their questionable biceps, and then scurry away if the fighting heats up again.

The question is, why are they even bothering to continue funding these little militaries? Europe is a fine place to live and work - but let's face it, the Germans aren't marching across the Rhine any time soon.

Those europeans sure have scurried away from afghanistan




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#3 12 years ago
Those europeans sure have scurried away from afghanistan

I'm sorry if my lack of specificity confused you - I was referring to the peacekeeper forces.

I understand the need for some infantry forces, and maybe some vehicles - but what use are these token navies serving?




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#4 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeI'm sorry if my lack of specificity confused you - I was referring to the peacekeeper forces. I understand the need for some infantry forces, and maybe some vehicles - but what use are these token navies serving?

so you expect Europeans to cross into Lebanon in a crusader style land path?




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#5 12 years ago
Artie Buccoso you expect Europeans to cross into Lebanon in a crusader style land path?

Last time I checked, the Beirut city streets were a little narrow to fit a heavy cruiser through.;)




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#6 12 years ago

Smartass, navies are needed to deploy forces overseas, I can think of many reasons why a country wouldn’t want another nation to have their troops move trough. Not to mention the logistical issues involved, and you need protection and support for the troop carriers and the troops once they have landed. It is as easy as that.




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#7 12 years ago
The 13th RaptorSmartass,

Well look who's here? Raptor and his charming way with people.

navies are needed to deploy forces overseas,

Wrong - navies are only needed if someone's going to attack your troops en route. Who's going to attack a French troop convoy? And let's say someone did. They would be screwed anyway - navy or no navy. The current European navies are needlessly large for the current world situation - and too small to be of any use if things did heat up. My attitude works both ways - I think the American submarine fleet and all of these surface vessels are an unnecessary waste of money.

i can think of many reasons why a country wouldnt want another nation to have their troups move trough. Not to mention the logistical issues involved, And you need protection and support for the troop carriers and the troops once they have landed. It is as easy as that.

You don't need a bluewater navy for troop transportation in uncontested waters - and overland routes are unecessary when the oceanways are uncontested.




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#8 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeWell look who's here? Raptor and his charming way with people. Wrong - navies are only needed if someone's going to attack your troops en route. Who's going to attack a French troop convoy? And let's say someone did. They would be screwed anyway - navy or no navy. The current European navies are needlessly large for the current world situation - and too small to be of any use if things did heat up. My attitude works both ways - I think the American submarine fleet and all of these surface vessels are an unnecessary waste of money. You don't need a bluewater navy for troop transportation in uncontested waters - and overland routes are unecessary when the oceanways are uncontested.

Ok European forces would have to go through several other European countries. Hell i made you a map. Remeber back in 2003 when Turkey didn't give the US permission to pass through it's country well it's kind of like that.




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#9 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeWell look who's here? Raptor and his charming way with people.

It does rub off on me, please be nicer.

Wrong - navies are only needed if someone's going to attack your troops en route. Who's going to attack a French troop convoy?

Troop transports might not carry offensive weapons, they are still part of the navy, so are the support ships. These need protection, like it or not, sane military leadership is not going to let their pants down just because things look "not so dangerous" now.

And let's say someone did. They would be screwed anyway - navy or no navy. The current European navies are needlessly large for the current world situation - and too small to be of any use if things did heat up.

What kind of weapons are "our" enemies using? That’s right, mostly older soviet tech, with some older western weapons. Can a relatively small force of high tech ships defeat these? Oh hell yes, so how is "small" not of any use? Tell that to the Israeli's

My attitude works both ways - I think the American submarine fleet and all of these surface vessels are an unnecessary waste of money.

If you have any other suggestions on how to deploy strategic weapons and troops pretty much anywhere without having to base yourself in a neighboring country, in a reasonable amount of time, I'm sure the US department of Defense would just love to have you onboard. So what are you doing here? Go tell those morons they have it all wrong.

You don't need a bluewater navy for troop transportation in uncontested waters - and overland routes are unecessary when the oceanways are uncontested.

You sure don’t, you do need them to keep your coast and waters clear. But I thought this was about the REAL navy, lets assume you were talking about that. You are a little obsessed with the now and not the future, times change MA, situations change.




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#10 12 years ago

Before anyone gets into more Euro-bashing, let me remind everyone of something.

Not a single European power has even a quarter of the deployment and occupational capabilities of the United States.

The US is the only country with a massive military airlift system. It is the only country with a fleet of so-called supercarriers, one or two of which can defeat the air force of most nations. We are also the only nation with the resources to maintain a prolonged overseas deployment, and the only nation with the manpower to do so.

In other words, since the US is now the world's only true superpower, we alone have the ability to deploy a massive military force on short notice. The armies and navies of Europe were never built for deployment, they were intended for defense only.