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WarHawk109

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#11 12 years ago

goverment in general is bad news, it leads to tyranny if it expands any larger than it should be.

I thought you hated Bush for expanding gov't with wiretaps and stuff? But then you advocate expanding gov't in other areas that usurp liberty, why?

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have .... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. "

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

- Thomas Jefferson




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#12 12 years ago

How does regulating gas prices usurp liberty?

I am against the government involving itself in our freedoms. Gas prices isn't related to that.

And big government is bad news in your opinion, not the opinion of many others.




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#13 12 years ago
WarHawk109 I thought you hated Bush for expanding gov't with wiretaps and stuff? But then you advocate expanding gov't in other areas that usurp liberty, why?

Probably because a monopoly is worse for the people than lots of competing companies?

Market restrictions don't necessarily make a government more powerful or larger, just as a police-presence in a democracy doesn't turn it into a police-state.




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#14 12 years ago

CNOWHow does regulating gas prices usurp liberty?

I am against the government involving itself in our freedoms. Gas prices isn't related to that.

Yes it is, it has everything to do with freedom. By regulating gas prices you are taking liberty away from the gas company and those that work for it. You are telling them they are not allowed to sell their property at what they want to sell it at, effectively taking away their property rights. This is fundementally against freedom and liberty.

And big government is bad news in your opinion, not the opinion of many others.

This is not an argument. Of course it's my opinion.




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#15 12 years ago
MrFancypantsProbably because a monopoly is worse for the people than lots of competing companies?

What monopoly are you referring to?

Market restrictions don't necessarily make a government more powerful or larger, just as a police-presence in a democracy doesn't turn it into a police-state.

Yes it does make it bigger, because of increased responsibility. You are giving it more tasks to perform.




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#16 12 years ago
WarHawk109What monopoly are you referring to?

As I said earlier, such market restrictions make mostly sense if applied to a monopoly. I don't know if there is an oil-monopoly in Canada or if the oil-producing companies over there cooperate, that's why I didn't approve of the idea of restricting the oil price there, but restrictions in general can be a good idea.

Yes it does make it bigger, because of increased responsibility. You are giving it more tasks to perform.

You only need to pass some legislation, the institutions for that are already in place anyway. A lot of work is also passed on to independant companies which analyze the market. Not the worst way to spend tax-money I guess.




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#17 12 years ago
MrFancypantsAs I said earlier, such market restrictions make mostly sense if applied to a monopoly. I don't know if there is an oil-monopoly in Canada or if the oil-producing companies over there cooperate, that's why I didn't approve of the idea of restricting the oil price there, but restrictions in general can be a good idea.

The only true monopolies that I am aware of those run by the government, such as our healthcare system. I do not believe there are any market restrictions needed at all since gov'ts are usually the ones who either create them or monopolies are formed as a result of high taxation and gov't intervention that forces companies to band together to survive all the repressive actions of gov't.

You only need to pass some legislation, the institutions for that are already in place anyway. A lot of work is also passed on to independant companies which analyze the market. Not the worst way to spend tax-money I guess.

Any new law is an expansion of gov't, any existing institution would also have to expand. There really isn't a way to get around it.




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#18 12 years ago
WarHawk109The only true monopolies that I am aware of those run by the government, such as our healthcare system. I do not believe there are any market restrictions needed at all since gov'ts are usually the ones who either create them or monopolies are formed as a result of high taxation and gov't intervention that forces companies to band together to survive all the repressive actions of gov't.

Many monopolies are indeed (former) government-companies, but why shouldn't they be restricted?

I agree that a government shouldn't have too much power or be too large, but you can't get completly rid of it either. Market restrictions to dissolve monopolies can't really be abused in a democracy and the people profit greatly from it if a monopoly is dissolved, so why shouldn't it be used?




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#19 12 years ago

Warhawk, I'm pretty tired of seeing you lable everybody based on one view on one subject. I swear to god, I say 'People shouldn't be allowed to own personal tanks' and you say 'pffft freedom hater'. You seem to know enough about economics, but I think you should grow up a little, then maybe I'd be willing to discuss things with you.




WarHawk109

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#20 12 years ago
MrFancypantsMany monopolies are indeed (former) government-companies, but why shouldn't they be restricted? I agree that a government shouldn't have too much power or be too large, but you can't get completly rid of it either. Market restrictions to dissolve monopolies can't really be abused in a democracy and the people profit greatly from it if a monopoly is dissolved, so why shouldn't it be used?

I'm just saying that we wouldn't need those restrictions if gov't would have just butt-out in the first place. A former gov't monopoly that has been privatized should be split up or completely dissolved upon privatization imo, but I could see that being tricky.