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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#11 11 years ago

Whoever appointed the judges would hold the real power over who was guilty and innocent since handing down a judgement that disagreed with the powers that be would effectively end their career and since they would naturally appoint judges who agreed with their political stances. Justice would be based upon politics rather than whether someone was guilty or innocent. At least with a jury the dice only has a chance to be loaded, handing over justice completely to the political system makes the dice loaded from the start.




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#12 11 years ago

In a working system of checks and balances judges are appointed by their proficiency.

However, you may doubt the independency of judges. I fear the lack of professionalism and empirical knowledge of laymen in the court.




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#13 11 years ago
If a 17-year-old boy stabs a man to gets his purse and is sentenced to 10 years in prison (because he is not an adult) and commits the same crime at the age of 27 after he has left the prison I think his history will be relevant, won't it?

And you of course are going to explain to me why his history will be important...




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#14 11 years ago

If someone kills twice it is a far more serious occurrence since the system that was meant to prevent them killing a second time has failed, thus greater measures will likely be required on the second attempt.




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#15 11 years ago

Mephistopheles;4048706In a working system of checks and balances judges are appointed by their proficiency.

However, you may doubt the independency of judges. I fear the lack of professionalism and empirical knowledge of laymen in the court.

How do you judge that proficiency? In the amount of guilty verdicts; in the amount of innocent verdicts; in the lack of appeals against their judgement? It seems very difficult to define a quality or even group of qualities that makes a good judge other than simply that they exercise good judgement, which is frankly so subjective as to be almost beyond the need for a distinction.

Everyone's knowledge is flawed in some way or another; a judge may not know the first thing about psychological studies or ballistics. I've no objection to requiring juries to be drawn from a more educated area of society, for example university graduates and or people holding doctorates but there doesn't seem a reason that this should be purely the jurisdiction of judges.




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#16 11 years ago
Mephistopheles;4048651What I meant is that I would prefer a group of professional judges with full background information over a jury of laymen with limited data.

YIKEs!!!! I can see what....you're saying but I know the supremist attitude is worse than the lamen's ignorance. That's the thing you convince common people...you can change their mind but these proffessioinals often come to conclusion and you can never tell them otherwise...

I don't know that scares me when we put..."proffesionals" in the jury box to make descisions about common people."

Think about.... This is the same world where Moma Bush said " I don't know what these people are complaining about. They're better off here than in New Orleans" refering to the astrodom evacusees.




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#17 11 years ago
Archmage Cleps;4048732And you of course are going to explain to me why his history will be important...

A person who has killed has proven that they will kill.

SOMEONE WHO WILL KILL IS MORE LIKELY TO KILL THAN SOMEONE WHO WONT KILL.




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#18 11 years ago

We will all kill given the right enviromental trigger. =p




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#19 11 years ago
Nemmerle;4050757We will all kill given the right enviromental trigger. =p

Some peoples trigger fingers are more itchy than others.




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#20 11 years ago

The same argument can be made of soldiers and the like who enforce the social order. ;)