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WiseBobo

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#11 13 years ago

Absolutely wonderful. Isn't Democracy beautiful?




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#12 13 years ago

[quote=Anlushac11;3863502]South America is worried about Chavez because he is setting himself up to be a dictator in a Socialist state. That in itself is not a problem quote] That’s a heavy statement and safe to say away from this man’s lust for power. It is a problem – because the way Chavez is molding his government it is taking away freedoms his people once enjoyed, and the various news articles and commentaries I read, suggest his people (even those who once supported him) regret allowing him to have this much power over them. Chavez has in effect accomplished (of course more callously in his endeavor) what FDR (Franklin Delanor Roosevelt) and his administration tried in the US in the 1930’s towards socializing America. Of course, Americans at that time thankful for the help decided (a little late) that the governments influence was getting out of hand. The concerns at the time sent a clear message to Washington and FDR – thanks but no thanks, which paved the way for the twenty-second Amendment to the US Constitution limiting the Presidents terms to two in 1947. (FYI FDR served from 1933 to 1945 the only president to serve three terms in office).




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#13 13 years ago
WiseBoboIsn't Democracy beautiful?

The best system of government out there. Developed & proper democracy with safeguards won't turn into dictatorship, it would take very exceptional & extreme situation.




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#14 13 years ago
Relander;3864188The best system of government out there. Developed & proper democracy with safeguards won't turn into dictatorship, it would take very exceptional & extreme situation.

Safeguards are the result of a constitutional democracy, not mass-rule.




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#15 13 years ago
Anlushac11;3862272 And yes I absolutely was thinking this is playing alot like Hitler's rise to power.

Next thing we'll be doing is trying to appease Chavez. 3fd3697348.gif




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#16 13 years ago
WiseBoboSafeguards are the result of a constitutional democracy, not mass-rule.

Vast majority of democracies have a constitution or similar document in place and the constitution isn't the only safeguard that there is. I prefer rule of the majority over the rule of the minority any day.




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#17 13 years ago

Nah the next step will be economic sanctions and he will laugh and sell his oil and natural gas to China and other countries and keep right on building.

No one will sit up and really take notice til he invades a neighbor. Ironically it usually takes a major incident and loss of life like that to get anyone moving but by then its already much harder and more expensive to handle the problem.

All I can say is Chavez cant stay in power against a major popular movement.

If Chavez turns the country into a Socialist state and people's lives become better they will be happy but when their rights are taken away and people start disappearing in midnight raids the people will say enough is enough and become active. Then its only a matter of time til he will be forced from power. Whether peacefully or by force remains to be seen.

To quote a line form Babylon Five:

"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand...



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#18 13 years ago
Relander;3862823 I can't see how Chavez makes it to top 10 of most dangerous men in Earth, he's some kind of a threat only for his own people but not for Venezuela's neighbours, rest of Latin American countries and especially not for the USA. Chavez is a problem for US oil interests & possibly for some other economic interests in Latin America but that's much about it.

Well the way I look at it, Chavez can use his position as leader of an oil rich country to cause great economic harm if he wanted to. You don't necessarily need a powerful military to cause harm. Additionally, as Anlushac pointed out his arms deals shows he may be willing to attempt to expand his power through force.

I suppose "one of the most dangerous men", may be an overstatement, but certainly he is in a position to deal great harm, though ultimately he couldn't possibly hope to invade another country in South America and possibly stand any chance of surviving the resulting war with the West.(which it likely would cause, I would think)




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#19 13 years ago
Relander;3864811I prefer rule of the majority over the rule of the minority any day.

No deal from me. More people believing in something does not make it right.




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#20 13 years ago

Didnt his congress give him the power to be dictator while he is legally president?

I think what he does as dictator is legal and lawful(for him) so changing it to make him president for life prolly is gonna be fine(BY LAW, NOT what the people want)

WiseBoboNo deal from me. More people believing in something does not make it right.

You know what...damn, Ive never thought of it that way :D thanks.