I've had a revelation during my time here: God is a hypocritical, narcissistic, bigot 193 replies

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#21 16 years ago

Looks like you view English grammar and such far too importantly, huh? Wow, you expect too much really. Considering that you're so fucking demanding on proper English grammar, I'll "Translate" everything I said to you in the the way you think it should be. You're facts are pretty twisted. I suggest that you read up the bible before actually introducing your points of arguments.

I've been to the church even though I'm not a Christian, and I believe in God. Maybe not the "Christians' God", but a God. Considering you're arguments however, i shall assume that you're talking about the "Christians' God." This is what I have understood from the few times I've been in church and from the things I've read about in the Bible.

Now, referring to no. 1 and 2: Yes, God knew Jesus would be killed. That's why He sent him. In Exodus, the 2nd book in the Old testament, there were all sorts of very detailed and complicated things you had to do to cleanse yourself of your sins. You had to kill the firstborn lamb and slice him up in a certain way to make a sacrifice that would be pleasing to the Lord and so on and so forth. If you didn't do this, you would be considered as a sinner. because everybody has sinned at least once. Don't try to deny it. All the times you've lied, cheated, stole, hurt somebody etc etc. Well, God realised that this didn't stop people from sinning. So He tried various ways to stop it because He hates sin.

1st thing he did? He commited "Genocide on a global scale" excluding Noah, NOT just his wife, but also a male and female of every species of animal on the planet, and his three sons and their wives. So get your facts straight. don't believe me? Read Genesis, 1st book of the Old testament. He did this to wipe the world clean of sin. If He didn't do this, nearly everybody would have gone straight to hell anyway. Do you believe in hell? The Bible says it's where we "sinners" all belong.

However, Noah's sons didn't appreciate Him sparing their lives, and they sinned again. So sin was once more in the world. tough, huh? And things grew worse from then on. Some pretended to love and worship God, but they were actually hypocrites and all that (Pharisees). Murder, adultery, theft, lies, abuse... you name it. Everything bad was back on Earth again. He had to do sth. He didn't want to wipe out the world again because it hurt too much the last time. He loves us, you see. (refer New testament, John 3:16)

So what He did was, He sent Jesus. He made His one and only son come down to Earth to help the sinners. To die for the Sinners. Because Jesus' blood was so pure and so holy and so sinless, he was the only 1 who could save us all. Jesus came down, grew up meek and humble, but as the Son of God. He taught many things and did many miracles. the gospels Luke, John, Matthew etc are all about Jesus. The things he did the things he said. And how he died too. According to the Bible, Jesus died for our sins. He paid the ultimate price so that we wouldn't have to go to Hell. His blood figuratively washed us all clean of our sins.

Wait, It's not for all of us though. I mean, it was meant to be, but the catch is that you've gotta confess you're a sinner and actually truly believe that Jesus did die on the cross. Because why would you save somebody from hell unless he believed you suffered for him, right? Have you seen the movie, The Passion of the Christ? Well yeah that's how much he suffered. That's the price he paid so we didn't have to go to hell. I hope you've been somewhat enlightened.

Regarding no. 3: God is a jealous God. That's true, he says so himself many times in the Bible. Is this a bad thing? Doesn't he have a right to be jealous? I mean, if we believe what is said in the bible, Then He is the one and only and the greatest being in the entire universe. If the very creatures you created in you're image worships another non-existent God instead of you, wouldn't you be jealous? God created emotions, remember. This means he has emotions too. Just because He's God doesn't mean he's never sad nor angry nor jealous nor happy. Once more... is it such a bad thing that he's jealous? the bible has never mentioned jealousy as a sin. Sure, we all know it's a bad thing, but it's not a sin when u feel it. We can't help it, can we, after all humans are emotional.

No. 4: I've asked Christians about this before, and admittedly, they don't know either. Some say it was to test Adam and Eve. To see how much they loved Him that they'd obey him. but personally, I don't know why did He put the tree there. Because i know that if i were God, I wouldn't want to test my creation's faith in me. Ignorance is bliss, in my opinion.

In answer to you're query: Is this a being worthy of our praise? If we are to believe everything in the Bible, I'd say: why not?

Incidentally, the Jews and Muslims of the world all believe in the same God. It's just the Messiah (the Christ) that they don't agree upon. Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah. the Muslims: Nabi Muhammad, and the Jews believe he hasn't come yet.

Hope this helps? People say that Chinese are one of the worst sort of human beings on Earth...and I think I'm beginning to agree.




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#22 16 years ago

Ugh... You are all taking this story (yes, it is just a story) far to literally. You shouldn't look at it directly, but instead, you should look at the underlying message, the moral of the story.




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#23 16 years ago
God is a jealous God. That's true, he says so himself many times in the Bible. Is this a bad thing? Doesn't he have a right to be jealous?

this is ridiculous isnt god above all the petty things that are human , isnt thats why he is god

god getting jealous




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#24 16 years ago

Excession, please calm down! Geez. You may passionately believe what you believe, but that doesn't mean you have to lose your temper over it!

All the points are very valid and you have given mere excuses for each of them, excuses, nothing more. It's so lame I could almost cry with the sordid uselessness of you spending time writing it.

They would seem valid if you had never read the bible, which you haven't, so you really can't make a valid point until you know the other side.

All you have done is confirmed my points, not dismissed them. Regardless of reason, regardless, he still sent his only Son to die. He knew he would die and he did it anyway. It doesn't matter that, "his Son ... willingly went." It doesn't matter at all. That is completely irrelevant and does not excuse the fact that he did this, to his own Son. Loving father!? What a crock of shit!!

Ok...well I guess you're right, as long as you know God's Son willingly went to die for you! Why? Because he loved you just that much that's why.

If you must know, I never read the Bible. I wouldn't waste my time on it. There are better fictional accounts of history which you can pick up in any major bookstore. You say these people were warned. Did God say (100 years prior) 'if you don't sort out your lives I'm going to massacre you all'?? Did he? No. Therefore, no warning. Zero. This is the best bit: '...it may seem a little unfair that the young children and babies died, but what was Noah supposed to do? Run around collecting them all?' UNFAIR!!? Please, listen, try and let this penetrate your thick skull!! Allowing eight people to live doesn't excuse Planetary Genocide, this isn't about Noah, he wasn't supposed to do anything, God murdered the unborn, the newborn, children. He massacred, obliterated humanity and every other sentient species on this planet. Who cares if eight, and two of each animal survived. It doesn't matter. Murder on a Global Scale. God has the blood of innocents on his hands.

You're confusing judgment and genocide, don't. Now read my post again, as you see, Noah was telling the people that there was going to be a worldwide flood while building an ark for 100 years! You cannot possibly say that that was not a warning. Do you not know how wicked these people were that should judge them like he did?

I am debating the logic of continuing this, based on your pig ignorant, thick headedness, but I shall go on.

Spare the useless flames...I'm going on cuz this fun...learn to have a little fun! Just cuz we disagree doesn't mean we have to hate each other.

Covet. To want something that is not your own.

There you go! That's exactly right. But we are God's, because He created us!

That it confused you doesn't surprise me. It's very clear to me. No matter how much you twist and convolute the clear and obvious truth of it, it's still there: Stupid God makes stupid tree and tells stupid children not to touch. Child does what a child is naturally inclined to do. He knew it would happen, so the actual test was pointless anyway.

Read my post again, it would seem you are the one confused (no offence intended). They weren't children you know, they were full grown people, and they lived a while in the garden (long enough for adam and eve to name all the animals...that's a pretty long time. :D). Like I said, would you have a robot wife, who is "programed" to love you, or a human one that loves you because she chooses to. It's a simple question. :)

Congratulations God, you blinded at least one person to the crimes you committed. He doesn't see the sins you have done. But, I'm afraid we are not all as gullible as Darth Sporky.

These unnecessary comments are...unnecessary! Seriously...what did that add to the debate other than an attempt to raise my temper?

People say that Chinese are one of the worst sort of human beings on Earth...and I think I'm beginning to agree.

STOP! That was 100% uncalled for! Let me write this so you can see it. Just because we may disagree doesn't mean we have to hate each other! We were just given this forum...the least you could do is act like civilized people...




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#25 16 years ago

sporky, u rock :)




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#26 16 years ago
Explodersporky, u rock :)

I appreciate the comment mr. exploder. :) :cheers:




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#27 16 years ago
DarthSporky There you go! That's exactly right. But we are God's, because He created us!

Assuming for a minute that god did create us. We have grown become something more than we were created. From the moment humans become aware, and start to do more than just react to the world around them, they are growing, changing, for better, or for worse, they are no longer what god created them. And when something changes from what you made it, when it becomes independent, you no longer own it. As we have changed from what god made us, so he can no longer lay claim to our lives. We have filled the container we are given, and its time to acknowledge that we are owned by nobody else but ourselves; our allegiance our own, to pledge to whomever we will.




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GedAssuming for a minute that god did create us. We have grown become something more than we were created. From the moment humans become aware, and start to do more than just react to the world around them, they are growing, changing, for better, or for worse, they are no longer what god created them. And when something changes from what you made it, when it becomes independent, you no longer own it. As we have changed from what god made us so he can no longer lay claim to our lives. We have filled the container we are given, and its time to acknowledge that we are owned by nobody else but ourselves, our allegiance our own to pledge to whomever we will.

That's like saying that once you're an adult you are no longer you fathers son. Ofcourse, you no longer require his assistance, you can take care of yourself, but that doesn't mean you don't have to respect him.




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GedAssuming for a minute that god did create us. We have grown become something more than we were created. From the moment humans become aware, and start to do more than just react to the world around them, they are growing, changing, for better, or for worse, they are no longer what god created them. And when something changes from what you made it, when it becomes independent, you no longer own it. As we have changed from what god made us so he can no longer lay claim to our lives. We have filled the container we are given, and its time to acknowledge that we are owned by nobody else but ourselves, our allegiance our own to pledge to whomever we will.

(During the whole course of this thread we are indeed assuming God created us). He created us human beings with a free will. And we are still that, yes?




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#30 16 years ago

DarthSporky(During the whole course of this thread we are indeed assuming God created us). He created us human beings with a free will. And we are still that, yes?[/QUOTE] We still have free will? Yes. I would prefer however to use it without coercion, wouldn’t you?

[QUOTE='LIGHTNING [NL]']That's like saying that once you're an adult you are no longer you fathers son. Ofcourse, you no longer require his assistance, you can take care of yourself, but that doesn't mean you don't have to respect him.

Why do you respect your father; for the actions that created you? I certainly don’t respect my father for that. I respect him for staying, helping me to grow up, teaching and helping me. God has not stayed around and helped us; he creates us, leaves us alone and then expects us to belong to him.

I would also argue respect and ownership are not that closely related.