Independence of Scotland - Realistic Or Not? 15 replies

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Komrad_B

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#11 12 years ago
Octovon;3829441On a personal level, I would say "yes" on the basis of self-determination, but in doing so, I would be supporting at least on a philosophical level, the independence of Quebec from Canada, which I strongly oppose. So, I voted "no".

Interesting. So Quebeckers have no right to self determination (if they want it) ? ;)

Oh don't get me wrong, I certainly don't vote for the PQ or BQ, and would never agree to the independance of Quebec. But if the majority of Quebeckers ever agreed to it (and I hope to god this won't happen), then the rightful thing would be to accept its independance (same with Scotland). I think that a people's right for self determination should only exists if a vast majority of said people supports it.




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#12 12 years ago

Well I dont understand why they want to become inderpendent. They, Scotlands government agreed to Join England to forum the United Kingdom. Its just moronic Scottish government who have watched Braveheart too much. Its not even a wise move for Scotland to break out. Their country is very fucked up at the momet. Although there will always be that hatred between England and Scotland. When Patriotic governments take charge, all hell breaks loose!




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#13 12 years ago

I say...Why not...Scottland is a land of it's own heritage and if they aren't happy then no one should have dominion over them. Let them go...Foster Peace and not control...




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#14 12 years ago

Yes, then they will more or less become a poor country. England will kick out all the Scottish Government members (So thas basicily all of them), All the benifits we give them will go, they wont be in the Europian union. There are so many things Scotland will lose if they leave and not all of Scotland wants to become inderpendent, only a few Patriots and that Scottish party.




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#15 12 years ago

Komrad_B;3829644Interesting. So Quebeckers have no right to self determination (if they want it) ? ;)

Oh don't get me wrong, I certainly don't vote for the PQ or BQ, and would never agree to the independance of Quebec. But if the majority of Quebeckers ever agreed to it (and I hope to god this won't happen), then the rightful thing would be to accept its independance (same with Scotland). I think that a people's right for self determination should only exists if a vast majority of said people supports it.

Well I'm not hell-bent against Quebec leaving, but I suppose if they (again, a strong majority) wanted to leave I wouldn't stop them, I just prefer Canada as a whole. Then again, it would probably save the government money, they seem to just throw tons of it Quebec's way come election time. Some of you non-Canadians may not understand that comment, but if you live in Canada, you'd understand, they call an election and announce a bunch of crap for Quebec only so the BQ doesn't sweep the province, while other provinces get less. I'm just tired of PQ and BQ bullshit about referendums and the crap and "distinctive nation" talk, sure, you speak French, but Chinatown in Toronto doesn't speak a word of English, so is that a sovereign nation now too? Typing this is giving my sarcasm no justice.




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#16 12 years ago

The way the UK works is as a united whole - thinking in terms of countries having dominion over each other, or having no self-determination, isn't right, both because they do have a great degree of self-determination already, and because no one UK country is placed higher than any other in authority. The UK is ruled in part from England, because that is the seat of UK government, but it is not ruled by England. Scotland is just as complicit as any other UK country in anything that affects the UK as a whole. To me, what's not broken should not be fixed. I see no convincing practical arguments for Scottish independance and the ideological ones, such as they are, have little substance.




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